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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

November 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm (This post was last modified: November 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm by alwayson.)

(November 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Kirbmarc Wrote:
Quote:Something cannot arise from other, because then you could have a giraffe spring from a rock. Anything could arise from anything.

This is a non-sequitur. You jump from "something can arise from something else" to "anything can arise from anything" in one big fell swoop. Those two sentences are not logically equivalent, no more than the sentence "some animals are giraffes" is equivalent to the the sentence "all animals are giraffes".

Ok, let me try to explain.

There has to be some relationship between two objects A and B, for B to arise from A.

If B is "other" than A, there is no such relationship.

Thus if you insist on arising from "other", you could have a giraffe arise from a rock.

(November 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Not at all, not in the least, and not in your wildest dreams.

Of course you do.

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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Minimalist - November 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 8:08 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm

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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist. - by alwayson - November 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm

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