Toaster strudel alliance takes on drugs, atheists and liberalism

[jstrodel]

[quote='jstrodel' pid='410695' dateline='1362643828']
Where I live, we used to have a place called Buttons Arcade. They had a drug bust, it was the largest in history. They found weapons, every drug you could think of. One guy had rape charges. Why would I make that up?

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Largest bust in New York history. Maybe Syracuse history. I can't find the newspaper article, this was 10 years ago. I had friends that were there when it was busted. They had federal agents all sorts of crazy guys seizing guns. Many people with long criminal records. They had over 100 cops there. The fact that you would assume that I would make something up like that shows that you have some sort of bias to justify ecstasy use. That is probably why you are an atheist.

One friend of mine is in jail now, one is dead, another just got free from being homeless (not all from the rave scene). Another guy I knew growing up died of a drunk driving, another one was jailed, another one was arrested for mushrooms, other people screwed up from taking acid, other people turned into strippers and prostitutes over drug use.

I uesd to live in a neighborhood where you could hear AK-47's going off because people were selling drugs and fighting over it all the time. Constantly.

Why can't you just accept the fact that drugs fuck people up?

If you have a commitment to "truth" why can't you just acknowledge that drugs are bad?

Drugs fuck people up, you know that, don't you?

I understand people are atheists, that is really not that good, but telling people drugs are not as bad for you as they are is evil.

I grew up on all this bullshit from harm reduction websites telling me that ecstasy wasn't bad and that raves were safe places. They try to get you to believe that that ravers are just upper middle class, well educated intellectual people who are responsible drug users. Yes, there are some ravers who fit this stereotype. And there are also a lot of ravers that fit that stereotype, and as they get deeper into it, they get deep into drugs, crime, prostitution, all sorts of crazy shit. I have seen it with my own eyes. A lot of people are dying out there and you are trying to twist the statistics to prove "ecstasy only kills x number of people because of dehydration and you can drink water to avoid it". I have seen that crap my whole life.

Ecstasy gets a significant portion of the people into hard drugs, into selling drugs, into crazy stuff. That is a fact. It is probably only like 20% or 30% of people that are into it, but that is a high number. It ruins a lot of lives. People look at the dehydration or neurotoxicity issue and they think "this is not so bad because if you do it this way it doesn't hurt you that much". They don't realize that when you do ecstasy, it does feel good, and then, a lot of the time, you do it again. And then, a lot of people will keep chasing the same feeling. Many will chase it their whole life, I think it is probably like 20-30-40 percent of people that get into ecstasy become serious drug addicts over there whole life. I have seen plenty of them.

Drugs are no joke. If you understanding of ethics leads you to think that because only 20% of people are going to become lifelong drug addicts and screwups and criminals from taking this stuff and that means I can promote drug use and try and downplay its seriousness with statistics, I think you are a callous and hard hearted person who has no real love or concern for others.

Drugs are a big deal, anyone who says so is a liar. I am not one of those people who is pushing for very heavy criminal penalties against drug use, I am a former user who has seen a lot of lives destroyed from it. It is a big deal.

Jails, institutions, death - that says it all. If you are one of the upper middle class responsible users who is wise and kind and sophisticated enough to show people that they can be recreational drug users and do ok with it while their friends lives all go down the tubes, I think you are a selfish piece of shit.

I don't say this that often, as a Christian, but, actually, if this is you, FUCK YOU. I have lost years of my life because of that bullshit. You are ruining peoples lives. If you are the one who gets addicted, it is no ones fault but your own, and you will suffer and then you will go back and do the same thing I am doing now, with your head down low, realizing that you couldn't "outsmart" drugs. That is the culture.