Quote:Oh, that's easy. Just off the top of my head, there's the Westboro Church. If you're after a less... insane example- and I don't blame you, even I think I'm being a tad unfair bringing those assholes up- the Southern Baptist Convention still has an article demanding that women be subservient to their husbands. That's sexist. So... you know, I did that right away.
That is your opinion about what is sexist. Do you actually have an example of a mainstream church that advocates the hatred or exploitation of women?
Quote:As to your last sentence, a little look at history shows that for every moderate in favor of desegregation, women's rights or peace, there's been more than a few opposed. In fact, just to quash your feminism claim right now, the christian right was the main opposition to the equal rights amendment in 1923 that would have ensured equality for women. In fact, if you go back and actually look before you speak, you can see many prominent christians speaking out against women's equality.
Well, the Christian church has made a lot of mistake over the years. I don't think that feminism is really a simple issue at all. I am not going to defend the issue of the equal rights amendment because I don't know that much about it. I do not think that feminism is a black and white issue and I think that many churches have had backwards attitudes towards women, sometimes extremely backwards.
This does not answer the question of what major denomination today promotes overtly misogynistic or racists views. The examples of Christians historically who have been wrong about many issues is indeed a serious issue, but you can cite many Christians on the other side of the issue just as easily. John Wesley was against slavery in the 18th century and Martin Luther King was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement. It is true that there have been many Christian churches (I would argue, real Christians, not false churches) that have embraced evil views. This is a serious issue, and not something that I take lightly. But there also have been billions of Christians historically, and they have taken a very large number of different positions.
I would say politically, the fruit of the Christian church overall has been to create and define in many ways Western Civilization, which, despite all the bloodshed, has been the most powerful, prosperous, free and well developed civilization that has ever existed (and the civilization that gave birth to the modern atheist movement).
Quote:And, given your comments about Hitchens and co... well, it's a bad look for you, isn't it?
Not sure what you mean.
