(March 10, 2013 at 9:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:Are you kidding me? Look, I don't mean to be insulting but I'm not from the Mu'tazilah or the kalamiyoon.(March 10, 2013 at 9:05 pm)mo66 Wrote: Those who desire both this world and heaven will get it in general, as the Qur'an states (if they believe in God and His messengers etc.)However, every person has their own specific situation.
Desiring this world (dw)
Desiring next world (dn)
Paradise (p)
Only Hell (h)
dw -> h
dn -> p
h -> not p
dw and dn -> p and h
dw and dn -> p and not p
p and not p contradict.
Therefore you have a contradiction.
You can't both be promised nothing but hell fire in the next world and at the same time promised paradise. You are then promised not to go to paradise and to go to paradise.
This is simple logic.
If we could figure everything out using logic, there would ne absolutely no need for Divine revelation. It's BECAUSE logic alone cannot get us to heaven, we need Divine revelation. Applying human to Divinely revealed text does not work at such a theological level as you have displayed. I don't have the time to provide full refutation today but I fear our discussion will be like the famous argument between Ar-razi and Ibn Taymiyyah!
To summarise, if you are a Qur'anic literalist as I am (as most Muslims are), there is nothing logically inconsistent with believing in the wording as it came (I assume you are reffering to the verses in chapter 2? Your scenarios don't really make sense tbh... It's about what your pre-conceived beliefs are.
