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That is your opinion about what is sexist. Do you actually have an example of a mainstream church that advocates the hatred or exploitation of women?

And thus we begin the majestic migration of the goalposts...

Listen, dude: the baptists are a mainstream religious movement, and their goddamn charter demands that women act as servants to their husbands. How much more exploitative can you get?

Well, the Christian church has made a lot of mistake over the years. I don't think that feminism is really a simple issue at all. I am not going to defend the issue of the equal rights amendment because I don't know that much about it. I do not think that feminism is a black and white issue and I think that many churches have had backwards attitudes towards women, sometimes extremely backwards.

Well, lemme help you out on the equal rights amendment front: the bill was simple, it just ensured equal rights for both genders. That's the official wording. And in response, some of the more prominent christians of the time came out to say it was an assault on family values, and tried to block it. But hey, I love that you're handwaving committed, institutionalized misogyny as just a tetchy little mistake. Classy.

This does not answer the question of what major denomination today promotes overtly misogynistic or racists views. The examples of Christians historically who have been wrong about many issues is indeed a serious issue, but you can cite many Christians on the other side of the issue just as easily. John Wesley was against slavery in the 18th century and Martin Luther King was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement.

You really wanna be talking about Martin Luther King given the number of southern preachers who came out against him?

It is true that there have been many Christian churches (I would argue, real Christians, not false churches) that have embraced evil views. This is a serious issue, and not something that I take lightly. But there also have been billions of Christians historically, and they have taken a very large number of different positions.

It really does seem like you only have a nuanced view of things with regards to your own position. You're more than happy to generalize viciously when it comes to the atheist one.

I would say politically, the fruit of the Christian church overall has been to create and define in many ways Western Civilization, which, despite all the bloodshed, has been the most powerful, prosperous, free and well developed civilization that has ever existed (and the civilization that gave birth to the modern atheist movement).

And I would say that people did that, not religion. Now what?

Not sure what you mean.

I mean that you keep bringing up Hitchens and a few others as if they're these pillars of the atheist community and therefore their entire belief structure necessarily reflects atheism as a whole. So, by that logic, all the well known preachers of christianity that opposed feminism etc, are all binding reflections of christianity.

No doubt you disagree, for no good reason.

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You didn't make an argument to say that though. You didn't refute what I said, you responded with internet humor or something like that. Why can't you refute the argument, if it is fallacious?

What i posted was an argument, what you posted was just an accusation. You didn't provide any evidence.

What prevents atheists from arguing their points instead of just heaping accusations and using non-rational persuasion techniques like mocking to make their point?

Do you still not understand that the reason we sometimes don't bother responding to your points is because your entire position is often so silly and overexaggerated it's genuinely hard to believe you're even being serious?