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My reasoning in rejecting eternal torture/hell...
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RE: My reasoning in rejecting eternal torture/hell...
Well, let's talk about morality then, I'm gameSmile It's a subject I need to investigate further for sure.

As a Christian I used to believe that there's right and there's wrong, and we all have a measure of knowing right from wrong.

Now I reject the idea that morality is anything but within ourselves, based on our experiences and governed by simple rules of existence.
Not externally delivered to us by a morality law. So what I'm saying is, our mere existence is morality. I'm was born, you were born. We are equal. If you do something that affects my well being, you're wrong because you have no right to do that since we're equal. The way we are able to confirm what is right and wrong is based on our own experiences within society. But, as we've seen, morality is altered based on the society.

Popular morality for example, shows that the definition of personal morality can change. So I don't believe morality is evenly distributed to all of us the same way. Few would promote murdering little children, there are however more than a few humans that would do this with no moral qualms. In another era slavery was accepted and helping slaves was “immoral”. So say you were born a prince, and you grew up believing others were there to serve you. You could morally assert that their suffering on your behalf is moral because you've been taught that they're there to serve you. Your whole existence is based on this fact. History has shown that there are cases like this that end up in genocides, torture, slavery, etc.

That doesn't mean what they did wasn't wrong, because they were born to this earth on the same level as their victims, but society gave them more credence than was due. Their own personal morality is skewed, and they do things that they don't consider to be immoral. So not everyone has a moral compass is what I'm thinking. A baby doesn't know that if they hit you it hurts, until they themselves feel that if they get hit it hurts or until you tell them NO. Why do you tell them no? Because they have no right to hit you. Just like you have no right to hit them.

There does seem to be a right and wrong in life, but that can be described as logical humanism.
Take India for instance, and it's societal hierarchy. There, it's immoral to apex your social class. A social class that is distributed to you by birth. Mankind has historically shown us that certain peoples in a society can have less rights than others and it's perfectly moral in their eyes. Again, that's just society altering morality though. The truth of the matter is that despite to whom or where they're born, those babies are equal in the simplicity of existence. Take all external factors like whom they were born or where, you just have two babies existing on this earth with equal rights.

This is the best definition I've found on morality: morality is a complex structure to maintain social cohesion and enhance survivability among social creatures.

Granted, I'm just talking to talk because I'd like feeback.. I'm not saying I'm right. I just started delving into this subject, in fact..
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: My reasoning in rejecting eternal torture/hell... - by Mystical - March 26, 2013 at 9:50 pm

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