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If god were real...
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RE: If god were real...
(March 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: I never implied an excuse, I gave an explanation of a loving God that could not have created evil. Though before creation God was not a judge, He had nothing to set as judge over, He became the judge after Lucifer fell to his own self righteousness. My question to anyone who believes God created evil ie. satan, does one create something he would so abhor just to be judge of the very thing he hates? There is no scriptural support for God creating evil. There is substantial support that God could not create anything outside of who He is.

So, God created everything, except evil, yet evil exists as something God did not create and has no direct control over. The only explanation is that The Adversary is a God in his own right, who is powerful enough to constantly thwart God, and that is why people have homo sex and listen to gangster rap.

I like how you are questioning the sense of your religion, but those are questions you have to answer, not us. Why does God create a being he knows will betray him and introduce evil into the world? There are only two logical answers

1. God is omnipotent and omniscient and desired to have evil introduced into the world. A being who knows everything does everything purposefully. He creates a being he knows is going to rebel and spread evil in his world. This is intentional and entirely by God's design. Evil can only persist in a world governed by an omnipotent being if that being wants it there.

God is omniscient and omnipotent, this is the very reason satan's powers are limited. Satan is no threat to God himself, however if satan was not restrained he would have long ago destroyed humanity.

When God created the universe there was no evil, evil was never created. Evil came into existence with Lucifer's disobedience to God. Love and truth were never created, they are part of who God is, they have always existed. Anything that's against who God is, is evil ie. sin, so evil came through Lucifer with his disobedience to God, satan has spread this evil ever since. God does not nor ever did want evil to be, He does allow it to exist to prove to creation that love, truth, obedience and ect. are greater than evil. So it's not wanted by God, but it will be judged by Him, and a complete end will be put to evil.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Neo-Scholastic - March 28, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: If god were real... - by Sagasa - March 29, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: If god were real... - by Cato - March 29, 2013 at 3:16 am
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: If god were real... - by downbeatplumb - March 29, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Faith No More - March 28, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - March 28, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 28, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by frankiej - March 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 28, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Faith No More - March 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 29, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:26 am
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - April 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 4:42 am
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - April 2, 2013 at 6:38 am
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - April 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - April 2, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 30, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - March 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Fruity - March 30, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 31, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 31, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 31, 2013 at 10:05 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Fruity - April 2, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - April 2, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - April 3, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - April 3, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: If god were real... - by archangle - April 3, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 11:08 am

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