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If god were real...
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RE: If god were real...
April 2, 2013 at 6:38 am
(April 2, 2013 at 3:43 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you want others to love you because they want to, because they actually love who you are? This is what God wants, now maybe you want people to love you because they fill obligated to, that is not true love by the way. So God gave us free will to choose, He wants people to choose.

God wants humans to love him freely and without obligation, but he presents them with a system of punishment and reward that leaves them with little choice. A reward that is the grandest reward one can enjoy, and a punishment that is the most horrible punishment that one can suffer. But they're not supposed to feel obligated?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Neo-Scholastic - March 28, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by John V - March 28, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: If god were real... - by Sagasa - March 29, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: If god were real... - by Cato - March 29, 2013 at 3:16 am
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: If god were real... - by downbeatplumb - March 29, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 28, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Faith No More - March 28, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - March 28, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 28, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 28, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: If god were real... - by frankiej - March 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 28, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 28, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 28, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Faith No More - March 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - March 29, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Kayenneh - March 29, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - March 29, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 29, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Ryantology - March 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:26 am
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - April 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 4:42 am
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - April 2, 2013 at 6:38 am
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - April 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: If god were real... - by Simon Moon - April 2, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - April 2, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 30, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - March 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Godschild - March 30, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Fruity - March 30, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 31, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - March 31, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: If god were real... - by CleanShavenJesus - April 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - March 31, 2013 at 10:05 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Fruity - April 2, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - April 2, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tonus - April 3, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: If god were real... - by Tex - April 3, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: If god were real... - by archangle - April 3, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: If god were real... - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 11:08 am

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