1. I expected the apologetic bullshit and you didn't disappoint. Others, with clearer heads, perhaps, have already conceded the point.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonabl...crucified/
It's a plot device for a point "John" (or whoever) was trying to make. It is not history. But it IS a contradiction with the other 3.
2. "Luke is wrong. " Yes..or Matty is wrong... but one of them is wrong which is the whole point. They contradict each other and believe me, finer minds than yours have tried to reconcile this one and failed.
3. "I don't even understand what the issue is." Of course you don't.
Nonetheless, it is there...plain as day. In Mark "jesus" barely speaks, in John, he rattles on.
http://vridar.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/3...-nazareth/
Now both may be, but one must be, wrong. "Jesus" either gabbed like a teenage girl on a cell phone or not but he could not do both at the same time. This is a contradiction.
4. "The women show up, see, run back, and tell the guys."
No. Mark 16,8 - (the original ending before some monk tried to improve it.)
5. "All accounts have Jesus crying out at the very end. "It is finished" and "into your hands I commit my spirit" have the same meaning."
But they are NOT the same words. They are different which means that there are contradictions between them.
I am not making an argument that any of this bullshit is right or wrong. Understand that it is all literary invention. But it takes a particular kind of myopia not to see that they do not even agree with each other. I regard this as your problem.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonabl...crucified/
Quote:So in Mark, Jesus was nailed to a cross at 9am the day after the Preparation of the Passover. In John, Pilate is about to send Jesus to his death at 12pm on the day of the Preparation for the Passover.
It's a plot device for a point "John" (or whoever) was trying to make. It is not history. But it IS a contradiction with the other 3.
2. "Luke is wrong. " Yes..or Matty is wrong... but one of them is wrong which is the whole point. They contradict each other and believe me, finer minds than yours have tried to reconcile this one and failed.
3. "I don't even understand what the issue is." Of course you don't.
Nonetheless, it is there...plain as day. In Mark "jesus" barely speaks, in John, he rattles on.
http://vridar.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/3...-nazareth/
Quote:here are also a few examples of John reacting to Synoptic precedents, making his preferred changes to them. John actually tells us why he rejected Gethsemane: “Should I say, Father save me from this hour? No, for it was for this purpose that I came to this hour!” [12:27] And: “The cup the Father has given me: shall I not drink it?” [18:11]
This is a literary response to a literary invention by Mark which John did not approve of. It’s a slap in the Synoptic face.
Similarly, John also repudiates Jesus’ meek silence before Pilate by having him engage in a disputation with the governor.
He also rejects Simon of Cyrene because Jesus is quite capable of carrying his own cross all the way, thank you very much. Jesus “carried his own cross,” John declares.
Now both may be, but one must be, wrong. "Jesus" either gabbed like a teenage girl on a cell phone or not but he could not do both at the same time. This is a contradiction.
4. "The women show up, see, run back, and tell the guys."
No. Mark 16,8 - (the original ending before some monk tried to improve it.)
Quote:8 The women fled from the tomb, trembling and bewildered, and they said nothing to anyone because they were too frightened.
5. "All accounts have Jesus crying out at the very end. "It is finished" and "into your hands I commit my spirit" have the same meaning."
But they are NOT the same words. They are different which means that there are contradictions between them.
Quote:Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
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Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Mark 15,33
34 Then at three o’clock Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which means “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”
I am not making an argument that any of this bullshit is right or wrong. Understand that it is all literary invention. But it takes a particular kind of myopia not to see that they do not even agree with each other. I regard this as your problem.