RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence?
April 28, 2013 at 12:35 am
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2013 at 12:38 am by Ryantology.)
(April 27, 2013 at 11:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: If the physical reality is causally closed then your belief is the inevitable outcome of the initial conditions of the universe. Otherwise, you made a choice.
Maybe it is.
Insofar as choice is concerned, I could certainly choose to ignore the fact that Christianity is intellectually empty as a worldview. I don't. So, in that, it's a choice. But, certainly, I did not just wake up one day and decide not to believe in God anymore. Once I passed a certain point, believing in God made no sense to me anymore. I was not able to choose to keep believing without being dishonest.
(April 27, 2013 at 10:54 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Well hopefully you'll come to understand that the atheistic viewpoint conflicts with other obvious facts about reality, something readily admitted by atheist philosophers like Nagel and Searle.
Oh dear, more of this mythical 'atheist viewpoint'.
Tell me, how does "There is no god" conflict with reality?
(April 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm)Ryantology Wrote: And without which you can get nothing. I understand the sense of freedom and liberty nihilism affords. I used to relish it myself. But it's a hollow victory.
It's not a victory at all. It is what it is. I don't relish losing my faith, though I don't regret it, either. Maybe it is hollow, if you feel like your life only has whatever meaning your imaginary god places upon it. I'm a nihilist in that I understand the truth: life has no objective meaning. The universe has no objective meaning. My life has subjective meaning, and that's enough to satisfy me. My self-worth is not dependent on sky daddies.
(April 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Project much. Your misguided certainty about what I believe is childish.
Am I wrong? Your obvious distaste for nihilism suggests not. The fact that you resort to fantasy in order to escape this suggests not.
(April 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Wow! Your identity and self-worth are totally dependent on your conviction that your beliefs are superior to those of believers.
That you got this from what I wrote suggests a severely crippled ability to digest information accurately. But, you're a Christian, so that's no big shocker.