RE: Conflicting statements in the bible
June 5, 2013 at 8:10 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 8:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 5, 2013 at 7:47 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: A person doing more time for shooting the President than for shooting another civilian is in no way a miscarriage of justice.Actually, it is, as we have a principle of equality in justice (in fact...a principle that is fundamental to the very concept of justice itself). Nevertheless, it's not the relative authority of a dead president that might give rise to a differing sentence for an identical crime.
Quote:You were treating two options as mutually exclusive when they are not, that’s constructing a false dichotomy.Bzzzzt. They -are- mutually exclusive. Our system does not assign weight to a crime by appraising the level of authority of the victim. We maintain a principle of equality under law. You will receive the same justice for the same crime as any other. It is -the crime- that determines the punitive measure. It doesn't always pan out that way - our system is fallible..surprise surprise.
Quote:NO, of course not, we can compare the two already offered without needing a third, or a 300th. Thank you.
I do not have to, we already use a very similar system to the one God uses.
Quote:You mean miscarriages of justice? Yes, agreed...you did give numerous examples. Ah, I see, when your god cannot match the fallible earthly systems lowered bar - that we struggle to maintain - the fault lies with our system? No dice.
Nope, I already gave numerous examples where we use the very same reasoning that we find in scripture. Secondly, by definition God’s concept of justice could never fall short of ours, so if the two differ at all it means that ours is the one that falls short.
Quote:It's not, we have two people of differing levels of authority - the crime is identical. We could go with your example as well. Thank you very much - for at least having the sack to advocate for the uneven application of justice -thereby eradicating the foundation of the very principle itself...all so you can defend an unfortunate belief dearly held.
It’s a faulty analogy because you’ve created a financial disparity between the victims, we have to remove that variable. A better example would be, you steal 100 dollars from a circuit judge who is worth 500,000 dollars and I steal 100 dollars from my neighbor (an engineer) who is also worth 500,000 dollars you’d be sentenced to more time because of the authority of your victim and rightly so. Send a threatening letter to your neighbor and then send a threatening letter to President Obama and see which one you do more time for.
God shoots and misses, but I'm sure if he keeps trying he'll get one eventually...law of large numbers.
(would you mind doing it just one more time for me...come up with another situation in which two perpetrators of an identical crime deserve lesser or greater punishment for that identical crime due to the relative difference of authority their victims hold?)
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