Why Secular Morality is Superior

[DeistPaladin]

That's what immoral is. Wrong decisions.

Wrong. Mistakes based on faulty information are not immoral. They are simply mistakes. Sweet Reason, is your understanding of morality so remedial that I have to explain this to you?

Ultimate Morality isn't knowable to any being that isn't all knowing.

1. If something isn't knowable, how do you know it exists?
2. All things that exist are knowable by the following logic:

• If it exists, it can be observed
  
• If it can be observed, it can be studied
  
• If it can be studied, it can be understood
  
• If it can be understood, it can be explained
  
• If it can be explained, it is knowable
  

Flawed secular morality is a human attribute which can logically be understood by evolution. What I'd good and bad according to secular morality changes according to the balance of power and whatever else is in the interest of the majority.

You keep asserting that. Assertions, however often repeated, do not make something true.

You seem to be claiming to know what God thinks.

Not sure where you're getting that.

John said that secular morality equated to "might makes right", which is exactly what it is.

Let's go to the tape then...

God is portrayed as the judge. A judge can morally sentence someone to death. A mafia don cannot. Actually, within the mafia’s morality, the mafia don can morally sentence someone to death. Society considers that immoral. Since society as a whole has more power than the mafia, if he’s caught, he goes to jail. People don’t like the phrase, but in the end, might does make right for all practical purposes.

He can clarify his position if he likes. It's only fair, since he might have mispoke as I did. But he seems to be saying might makes right for ALL practical purposes. He doesn't seem to be making an exception for God. In fact, his allusions to judges in human institutions seems to indicate to the contrary.

However, if he does wish to make a special exception for God, on what basis would he suggest this exception be made? How can we know that God's justice is moral? By who's standards? God's? This would be circular reasoning.

By definition, if a being is deciding what is or is not moral, this is not "objective" because it depends on a being's opinions or judgment. Neither is it "absolute" because a being can change his/her/its mind.

God doesn't "decide" what is moral. God is perfectly moral. That is what divine goodness is.

Thank you. Delivered on cue.

First, we have the bare assertion that God is perfectly moral. Then we follow with the circular reasoning that since God is perfectly moral, all of God's decisions are moral. And since God's decisions are moral, we know that God is moral. So we know that God is good because God is good and that's how we know God is good.

You seem to need to destroy this observation to make your pointless claim.

Bare assertions are not "observations".

Hell is the immediate just reward for immorality.

No, Hell is the punishment for non-belief. Morality doesn't enter into it. The only criteria is gullibility and being luck enough to be indoctrinated correctly.

Tosh.

It's victimisation as long as it happens to be what you disagree with. In a society where your view was a minority one, secular law would punish you.

Human beings are sovereign. Rights are not about opinions.

Your moral correctness is decided by the majority vote.

Nope.

All I see you addressing here is the historical proof of the failure of secular morality to act with justice.

Evolution is a slow path, regrettably. It would be nice if we'd had a god who could tell us rape and genocide are wrong but neither your Bible nor reality offered us one.

Never once do you address divine morality. It seems that you don't understand what it is.

Neither do you.