(July 13, 2013 at 4:33 am)Godschild Wrote: To start with I do not believe that wiki is an expert on Christianity, it is only a copy of things stated whether real or not. In the above I saw no definition that God is omnibenevolent, some Christians may argue this and I eluded to this earlier but, that does not make it true, scriptures never indicate God is omnibenevolent. Benevolence: charitable nature, an act of kindness, charity. The scriptures are full of God doing such things, yet there are scriptures that tell us that God is not always charitable, nor kind in the sense of being charitable. God hardened the heart of Pharaoh, God flooded the world, God drowned the Egyptian soldiers, God allowed Job's misery, these are not charitable acts, if God had been omnibenevolent He would have over looked people's ways. God is love and completely just, He's also benevolent, but not always.
Tell me, did you receive any formal training in moving the goalposts or does it come naturally to you?
I don't need to justify whether or not your god is omnibenevolent. As far as I am concerned, all of this is imaginary. So, regarding the supposed properties of this imaginary being, I'll simply take your Christians at their word.
The wiki does not have to be an expert on Christianity to record what Christians say. And what they say is "god is omnibenevolent". And they use the given parts of scripture to justify their conclusions. If you don't agree - take it up with them. Go, have a theological debate - or declare war to convince them otherwise - I don't care. They are just two different interpretations of old and poorly written ramblings. Its between you and the other Christians to fight it out about whose interpretation is correct - I don't give a shit either way.
You asked for evidence of Christians believing god to be omnibenevolent - well, here it is. Are they justified in the belief - that's irrelevant. Their belief in god isn't justified to begin with. So, we are taking their definition at its face value and addressing all the logical problems with it. You don't think omni-benevolence should be included - then convince all other Christians that it shouldn't. And once you have, then we'll change the argument to accommodate the new definition.
(July 13, 2013 at 4:33 am)Godschild Wrote: You have no free will in anything but your choice of Christ, and God doesn't interfere in your free will, He asserts His will which is above the will of anyone, he will not allow your choices to interfere in His ultimate will. It is He who controls the universe.
Do you even read your arguments before posting them?
If there is no god, then I'd have free will in everything and if there is, the only free-will I have is in choosing Christ - then that means god is infringing upon my free-will. He is infringing upon my free-will when it comes to choosing my dinner, my career, my wife and so on.
