(July 30, 2013 at 10:20 am)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:No Nora, I don't believe this is about punishing women.
Oh, horseshit. You have yet to demonstrate where someone elses decision on this has any impact on you at all. Who gives a shit what you "believe?" You are trying to enforce your will on others.
I am a woman. I am biologically geared to bear children. Men can't get pregnant. Perhaps if they could, I'd pin more responsibility on them.
Rahul Wrote:Wow. You are really generous to guys, Slave.
I don't agree with that. If you are the biological father you have a LOT of responsibility. And that's the way I've treated it for over a decade. I married my pregnant girlfriend (I was in love with her anyway, so it's been good), took care of her during her pregnancy, was there for the births, changed diapers, feed hungry little mouths, bathed, walked to school, taken to the doctor, etc.
I think it's kind of insulting to be considered just a sperm donor.
It's not about being generous; it is what I view as fair and just. It isn't a popular opinion, I grant you that. The good news is most men would take responsibility for whatever children they bear, and by law they are also required to provide financial assistance for their children whether they want them or not. It's funny how these women are crying out about women's rights to their personal autonomy, but if a man impregnates a woman and she chooses to have the child, he has no say. So where are his rights? He doesn't have any. So I think that if a man accidentally impregnates a woman, he should not be obligated to provide support for it.
ITChick Wrote:*runs away from the crazy lady Smile*
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Nora Wrote:Having a child you don't even want, can't afford, or don't want to/can't look after is far from "taking responsibility for your actions" it's completely irresponsible and stupid.
And having sex without protection - or just having sex at all - knowing that you don't want and cannot provide for a child should one occur as a result of your actions, is responsible? Yeah, right lady. Sorry but I have control over my own body, as do you. Contrary to popular belief, we can control the outcome of our sex lives. It ain't just 'the man' keeping us down.
Quote:You accuse these women of "reckless behaviour" then say they should have parenthood forced on them? Really? You think they should be parents if they can't even figure out how buirth control and condoms work?
I never said 'should'. For christ sake what have I said already? Read maybe? I said that the choice should be there. But the ethical implications should be considered. Since I disagree with the notion that human life does not begin at conception, it stands to reason that a woman should take every precaution to not get pregnant unless pregnancy is her end goal in mind.
I'm not imposing my will on others. Where have I said that abortion should be illegal? Find me the quote and I'll concede.