(August 9, 2013 at 6:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Let's move those goal posts.
Yes objective evidence is independently understood by others. You do know that Christians affirm each other's experiences right? So objectivity as you use it needs more refining.
Subjective evidence is personal to the subject.
The basis to religion, is that the choice to live morally/ with interest in your personal gain to be the best you can be... has to be a choice. You cannot have proof that goodness triumphs, you must believe it.
Sans justice (God), your ability to achieve happiness is limited by your reality, which acknowledges unfairness.
The ONLY point to faith is the enrichment of life.
Sounds solid.. after all, "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." - John 10:10b (le Jesus speaking)
Your statement reminded me of something I guess I could consider important to tag onto my original post:
I thought about this; Lotsa people say it works, lotsa people say it doesn't work.. but I don't know because I haven't had their experiences. If Christ came to bring us life to the full, and following the Bible is really supposed to work to do that, then I might as well be willing to change myself and give the Bible an honest shot, and either...
A) If it works, it will provide results sooner or later, and that will give me evidence to continue with it, or...
B) It doesn't work, and I wasted a buncha time and effort, costing myself hardship and struggle unnecessarily.
..But in the end, if it weren't true, then my life is pointless anyways, so there wouldn't really be such thing as wasting my time. Besides, maybe I'm a little bit masochistic but I enjoy a good challenge.
Challenge accepted!
And then it turned out to work.. who would've known