Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?

[Theo Zacharias]

Ok, so you're backing away from the miracle claims that you first brought up to say that they cannot be studied.

I never said that they cannot be studied. You're attacking a straw man here.
What I said is, maybe they cannot be studied and maybe they can. What you said is, we *must* be able to study it. Do you understand the difference here?

Also, don't forget that you are the one who claim that if God exist and affects the world in *anyway*, it must generate some form of evidence. What I'm doing is to refute this claim by arguing that maybe it generates some evidences but maybe not. I don't agree that it *must* generate evidence because it's possible that it does not generate any evidences.
Now, do you still hold to this claim especially the *anyway" part? Or you want to modify the *anyway* part?

No, I'm not backing away from that part. It must generate evidence, whether or not our technology is advanced enough to detect this evidence, it must generate evidence. If you put a cup in front of me, and I say I affected it, but in fact I did not at all, can you call me a liar or are you going to say I affected in but did not change anything at all? Which is what you're trying to say here. If god interfered and produced chances, evidence is generated. If he interfered but everything remained unchanged, he did not interfere.

Your analogy is totally incorrect. You said "in fact I did not at all", then it means, in you example, it is a fact that you did not affect the cup. In God situation, we don't know what the fact is. We don't know whether God affect the world or not, and we don't even know whether God exists or not.

I'm sure you realize how fast our technology advances in recent years. Can you imagine what kind of technology we will have in 100 years? How about in 1000 years? In million years?
Are you honestly said that you can't believe that a God or alien natural beings with technology far more advanced than what we have now cannot affect our world without leaving any evidence that can be detected by our current technology if they want to? You haven't answered this questions before.

Ok, I just did. But I think you missed my point, which is, there is no reason to think any of this is going on without evidence.

Again I must say that you are the one who make assertion here by claiming that if God exist and affects the world in *anyway*, it must generate some form of evidence. The burden of proof/evidence is on the person asserting a claim. You cannot defend your claim by saying that your opponent has no evidence that you're wrong.

I will ask my question again:
"If there is a natural alien beings with technology far more advanced than what we have now (say million years more advance), if they want to, do you think they can affect our world without leaving any evidence that can be detected by our current technology"
Please answer this, yes or no?

And even if you want to push for that and say SOMETHING has to be interfering simply because it's theoretically possible, that possibility is not limited to your god.

Yes, I agree if something is affecting our world in a way that cannot be detected by our technology, the possibility is not limited to my God.
I never said otherwise.