RE: Why atheism always has a burden of proof
October 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2013 at 4:04 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(October 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm)Strongbad Wrote: Oh for fuck's sake. They might as well have put a "mood ring" on the "tongue-speaking" idiots and observed how the ring changed color when they went into their "spiritual state".
If you assuming materialism to begin with then yes I agree. But we can at least see they're not pretending they will be experiencing some kind of aspect of human function, whatever it is. If you believe in God you'll believe it's God anyway you don't need brain scans of it. Those were just a demonstration of the limit of what science can study. Juyst the physical stuff we see nothing else. Now God isn't made from physical stuff, no matter, no energy, nothing at all, just pure consciousness.
Quote:Do you think a brain scan would show similar results if they tested Muslims or Hindus when they went into their "spiritual state"? Of course it would. Which is of course an indication that their "conscious" had achieved a "greater state of awareness of Allah or Vishnu".
Of course yes, but I don't think that's an issue. I wasn't using this to argue the case for Christianity for that I'd focus on the empty tomb and experiences of the founders of Christianity. People such as Saint Paul. I'm sure the mystical and subjective experience of God is universal across all religions.
Quote:Utter. Fucking. Rubbish.
Your opinion is your opinion that's fine. But what I have pointed out to you is still true, if God exists then his nature is non-physical therefore not directly observable. If something can't be proven there isn't a burden of proof to meet anymore than if you had to prove a negative. You're not foisting that burden onto believers it's been dealt with.
(October 10, 2013 at 3:33 pm)pocaracas Wrote: well then... show me the miracles...
It would be a start... not much of a start, but heck...
I was going for detecting the main guy itself!
The Space Gnome explains exactly what happens once science can study and understand something.
But if you are interested there is quite a lot of material on the subject.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.