(October 14, 2013 at 1:22 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(October 14, 2013 at 5:30 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Anyone who voted no on this didn't think this question over. At all. And you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Then I'll be awaiting your scientific proofs for logic, mathematics, morality, and political theory.
Oh, wait, you didn't think this question over, did you?
Besides, the knowledge that science is the only method for obtaining knowledge is not something that can be gained via the scientific method, so your claim is self-refuting.
Smart-ass. You know damn well I was teasing.
Now, these are all things that we have learned and given names to. We have tested these things; conceived of them, and tested them, and know they're things that exist.
That is science. We're not discussing scientific PROOFS, we're talking about whether or not science is the only way to knowledge. Knowledge is, duh, KNOWING something. We know morality, ethics, logic, political theory, mathematics, etc. and we've done so through testing them.
Science is defined as a method of building and organizing knowledge through tests and trials. But it's also defined as a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied. You can rationally explain all those things you listed, and you can reliably apply them.
Is knowledge not something you gain through observation, or experience, or through experimenting with things? And do you not come to realize you know something as factual through testing it?
I need to stress the importance of something, here. As I said before, the OP is infuriatingly vague. I know he is fishing for answers to give him fuel to try to justify his own half-cocked logic because he's been incapable of actually defending his own stance. He has never made a clear, valid point, and has fallen to using subjective opinion to try to state that he is in fact speaking truth. But also, he's quite obviously a troll.
To cut through the bullshit, I'm going to state something that nobody else has had the common sense to point out.
KNOWLEDGE IS UNDEFINED.
THERE IS NO SINGLE AGREED UPON DEFINITION OF WHAT KNOWLEDGE IS.
You must first define what you consider knowledge, before you can say whether or not science is the only way to obtain it.
I consider knowledge as something factual, something that you strongly believe is correct through experience, testing, witnessing, observing, and confirming through others; to KNOW something means you cannot conceive of any other possibility because of this, but that it must be something that can be changed, with further input.
So the question becomes, what do you all consider knowledge? Because, to me? Science is the only way to knowledge, the only way I can actually KNOW something, as opposed to suspecting or merely believing it.
Cannot believe I'm the first person who's pointed out the subjectivity of this question...