(November 27, 2013 at 8:56 am)Nineteen Wrote: You claim that religious people are deceived about whether a god . So you are pretty sure that there is no God . You're pretty sure because you have conclusive evidences can not be denied by anyone .
It's so much better to argue against a pretty face... even if that avatar isn't you!
First point: religious people have no evidence of what it is that they believe. At most, they have some feelings which they interpret as some sort of godly operations or whatnot... beauty, love, order... stuff like that.
Lack of evidence raises a red flag.
The repetition of words as "truth", and "trust" and "believe" in this context sound a few alarms in the "I'm being conned" department....
So this leads to us being pretty sure that all gods that are believed in by humans are made up... not 100% sure, but pretty damn close.
Look at the obvious geographical distribution of religions (discount for long range travel available since the 1500s). That alone should give you pause to think about how an idea appeared at one location and spread in that region. A similar idea appeared in another location and spread in that other region.... it's possible that the two ideas have some link in the form of... perhaps, trade... after all, the silk road is old...very old.
Geographical localization of a particular set deities and modes of worship of those deities support the notion that people have been spreading these ideas. PEOPLE!
Geographical localization made me remember another of my favorites... multiple religions, multiple interpretations of the divine, multiple gods...
Either only one is correct.... or none.
If one of them is correct, then which one? You'll say it's yours. Each denomination of christians will say it's theirs. Jews will say it's theirs. Each sect of Hindus will say it's theirs. Would we ask this 3 thousand years ago, in Egypt, they'd say it's theirs.... etc.etc.etc.
What's happening, here? How can so many people be so convinced about something that is patently wrong?
The unavailability of evidence for any deity, even today, when we have so many tools at our disposal, supports the idea that the original concept was man-made.
The present-day abundance of fictional writing, books, movies, series, cartoons, etc... suggests that mankind is very well capable of having made up such a concept.
On top of that... Why do I have to believe in a particular god for that god to manifest itself within me... in my mind... in my gut feeling...?
Looks like there's some circularity going on there: if I believe it, then I feel it... I feel it, then I confirm the belief...
We also know that our minds are tricked oh so easily... and we can trick ourselves....
So, I refuse to believe, given the obvious pitfalls that such a position entails afterwards.... and given that it all smells (reeks is more like it) like man-made fiction.
Sure, it can make you feel better.... but not me. I refuse the deception... actually, I think I'm unable to accept it, even if I wanted it.