RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 7, 2013 at 10:38 am
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2013 at 10:39 am by ThomM.)
(December 6, 2013 at 8:41 pm)snowtracks Wrote:(December 6, 2013 at 10:20 am)Tonus Wrote: That is a bit of a strange request. I would think that most people who abandoned religious belief did so because they found many flaws in the belief system. There may be those who, while studying some branch of science related to the universe, came to the conclusion that it wasn't created, but I suspect they're in the minority. If the belief system that claims a god exists and created everything falls apart, why would I deny the first but continue to believe the second? Especially if there is no evidence to support the first?
I know that the idea that the universe shows "the hallmarks of design" is common among theists as a way of providing 'evidence' for the existence of god. But is that what made you believe that there was a creator? Or had you already been convinced by people who told you there was and simply allowed confirmation bias to lead you to the 'correct' conclusion?
if one were do the fbi profiler methodology to start with evidence and work back to the source, the God hypothesis would be a possibly since nothing would rule it out. no, it doesn't prove God, but based on the evidence the hypothesis wouldn't be eliminated. then other theories could be worked-up to be evaluated and compared.
NOPE - sorry - the problem is that YOU are attempting to substitute a "god" for a "Creator" - and those are NOT THE SAME
THere is NO need for a "god" as defined by religion as ALL EVERYTHING.
WHile it remains impossible to prove a higher power was NOT involved in the origins of the Universe - there remains NO Need for the remainder of the claims of the thiests regarding that unprovable higher power. THE Only power the "creator" would need - would be the power to initiate evolution - which science has already accepted evolution as being true.
THERE is no basis for the supernatural claims of the soul - devils - angels - hell - heaven - and the rest of the nonsense.
In fact - there is NO reason to believe that a creator STILL exists - it could have perished in the creation. AND with the need for only one power - that of creation - that eliminated the EGO MANIACAL nonsense that requires worship and adoration - which is also not supported. IF the god is perfect - it requires NO EGO support as well.
And that is where the theists have the biggest problem - connecting that possibility of a creator - to the rest of the thousands of different stories of how things happened told by different religions - because they have NO method of connecting the dots to their Fictions and MYTHS.