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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 12:52 am
(December 6, 2013 at 12:31 am)Esquilax Wrote: (December 6, 2013 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: oh my, 'A' for rambling. "supposed to work"? is that suppose to mean it's working but malfunctioning? science tells how it works but that stating the obvious. okay, but still no observation that invalidates intelligent design.
Okay, you need to actually listen to what another human is saying to you, right now: we don't need to invalidate intelligent design. You need to demonstrate intelligent design; without positive evidence, you have no reason to believe that it's true, and your position- surprise surprise- is irrational.
It's not up to us to disprove every idiotic notion in your head; what, do you think you're some kind of arbiter of reality, where everything you say is true just because you say it?
'we don't need to invalidate intelligent design' - but you could if you wanted to, right?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 12:54 am
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No one has to address god... at all.
(December 6, 2013 at 12:52 am)snowtracks Wrote: (December 6, 2013 at 12:31 am)Esquilax Wrote: Okay, you need to actually listen to what another human is saying to you, right now: we don't need to invalidate intelligent design. You need to demonstrate intelligent design; without positive evidence, you have no reason to believe that it's true, and your position- surprise surprise- is irrational.
It's not up to us to disprove every idiotic notion in your head; what, do you think you're some kind of arbiter of reality, where everything you say is true just because you say it?
'we don't need to invalidate intelligent design' - but you could if you wanted to, right?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 12:56 am
(December 6, 2013 at 12:52 am)snowtracks Wrote: 'we don't need to invalidate intelligent design' - but you could if you wanted to, right?
Intelligent Design invalidates itself.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 12:59 am
(December 6, 2013 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: oh my, 'A' for rambling. "supposed to work"? is that suppose to mean it's working but malfunctioning?
No it's not and I think you know that, but I'll clarify for your sake.
It is the basic contention of the creationist lobby that the Universe and everything within it was created by some intelligent, über-powerful entity at some point in the past. All creationist aims are directed at trying to prove this. However, even if it could be shown to be true, categorically and undeniably true, we still don't know how the trick was done. The most 'scientific' idea that creationist preachers have come up with is that it was God's will and the like. In other words: magic.
(December 6, 2013 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: science tells how it works but that stating the obvious. okay, but still no observation that invalidates intelligent design.
If it were stating the obvious, it wouldn't need stating. I think I see where the problem is, though. You seem to think that the way to prove the truth of one's argument is to disprove an opposing one. Maybe it's because creationist preachers operate in that bottom-feeder way?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am
Incidentally, are we to assume that by dismissing my points as "rambling", you have no intention to address them? You're under no obligation, of course, but the dishonesty of throwing an ad hom at me has not gone unnnoticed.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 1:04 am
(December 6, 2013 at 12:52 am)snowtracks Wrote: 'we don't need to invalidate intelligent design' - but you could if you wanted to, right?
Yes, and very easily: there is no evidence for it, and therefore, it is invalidated (for now.)
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 3:06 am
(December 6, 2013 at 12:52 am)snowtracks Wrote: (December 6, 2013 at 12:31 am)Esquilax Wrote: Okay, you need to actually listen to what another human is saying to you, right now: we don't need to invalidate intelligent design. You need to demonstrate intelligent design; without positive evidence, you have no reason to believe that it's true, and your position- surprise surprise- is irrational.
It's not up to us to disprove every idiotic notion in your head; what, do you think you're some kind of arbiter of reality, where everything you say is true just because you say it?
'we don't need to invalidate intelligent design' - but you could if you wanted to, right?
I can, and I've done it.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 9:33 am
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@ snowtracks So, are you just going to lie now? I (among others) have continually responded to you with possible, plausible naturalistic explanations for the universe's origin:
-Tenseless block of 4D spacetime
-Spontaneous generation from pre-existing quantum foam
-Birthed from a black hole from another universe
Hell, I don't even care if you think they're bullshit, but to lie and say no one's given you an examples is Tertullian levels of low, lying for the faith and all.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 10:20 am
(December 5, 2013 at 11:15 pm)snowtracks Wrote: just exactly what exactly was it you saw in observation that convince you that creation wasn't correct. was it something along the road one day, or on a mountain top; or maybe it some stern aunt that was overly righteous? That is a bit of a strange request. I would think that most people who abandoned religious belief did so because they found many flaws in the belief system. There may be those who, while studying some branch of science related to the universe, came to the conclusion that it wasn't created, but I suspect they're in the minority. If the belief system that claims a god exists and created everything falls apart, why would I deny the first but continue to believe the second? Especially if there is no evidence to support the first?
I know that the idea that the universe shows "the hallmarks of design" is common among theists as a way of providing 'evidence' for the existence of god. But is that what made you believe that there was a creator? Or had you already been convinced by people who told you there was and simply allowed confirmation bias to lead you to the 'correct' conclusion?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 6, 2013 at 10:35 am
I don't know if anyone has brought up the argument that the universe is a simulation, but it's a pretty entertaining alternative to these God hypotheses, and it doesn't involve invoking any celestial entities. I was watching Through The Wormhole the other day, and this hypothesis was featured among many other alternatives. Here's the wikipedia link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
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