Slavery (on Thursdays)

[Esquilax]

My position is that if you kill anyone the penalty is death, if you injured someone who wasn't a servant you owed him money. If you injured a servant and he didn't die, (doesn't matter if he died 3 or 4 days later the murder rule would still apply) you didn't owe him money because you already paid him, since He had to sell himself into servitude in the first place.

That's what I said: there's no penalty for beating your slaves. No matter how you choose to phrase it, that's what's really going on here: you are allowed to beat, without penalty, a person whom you have bought from another tribe, kept as property, passed down to your children... a slave.

Exodus 21
16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

This scripture is clear, you cannot force someone into slavery or be found in possession of someone who was forced into slavery. There are no loopholes, please show evidence that they could buy someone that was forced from another nation.

"You may buy your slaves from the heathen around you," doesn't say anything about where they might have come from, just that you're allowed to buy them. Besides, the issue of whether they were forced or not misses the point; there are plenty of ways to scam a person into slavery without directly forcing them. There are modern human trafficking rings who could tell you that. But the point is that slavery of any type is immoral; how is it that you're excusing desperate, destitute men being forced to take part in a system they have no alternative but to take part in, and being forced to work forever, as moral?

What in that is moral, to you? What context makes that okay?

The actual translation is "thou halt not commit Murder". The Law wasn't established until Moses. Why are the Jews called the chosen people? because God chose to give them the Law to show that it is impossible to gain salvation based on works. To break any of the 10 commandments is a capital offense.

Oh goody, here we go with the "oh, it's not really killing," bullshit. What's the use of a commandment like that, if you can just define as many loopholes as you want into what counts?

We'll excuse me Mr. pinnacle of all righteousness, I guess you'd be the one exception to "Absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Yep, because I definitely said I was perfect. That's what happened here, you dishonest prick.