(April 1, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: I don't think it's entirely poisoning the well in the sense that the organization itself is not intrinsically racist that I know of.
And that's really the point.
Sir Issac Newton was a horrible, nasty human being. He also believed in crazy things like alchemy and Biblical prophecy. That doesn't mean that either his discoveries in the laws of physics or the science of physics is tainted by either his rudeness or his unrelated crackpottery.
Science ignores what the scientist is like and it disregards any crazy things the scientist might also believe. You can be a truly horrid human being and come up with 1000 batshit ideas and then make one verifiable discovery and science will embrace that one discovery on its own merit.
Back to the OP and how this relates, you can say what you like about the founder of Planned Parenthood or, for that matter, certain specific contributors, but unless you can make a case that the organization itself is racist, these allegations has nothing to do with the organization, let alone the pro-choice movement.
Quote:But knowing women that have had abortions, it can hurt women as well.
This is the fallacy of anecdotal evidence (or the "limited sample" pitfall of statistical analysis). This kind of argument is emotionally persuasive but can lead us to the wrong conclusions. All the Catholic girls I've slept with are hot but that doesn't mean that I should conclude all Catholic girls, or even most Catholic girls, are great in bed. It's important to get large and randomized statistical samples of a population before we can gain confidence about statements we make about a population.
I don't know the women you know but another question that pops into mind is are you certain these women were hurt by the abortions? A fallacy we need to be careful of, and is so easy to fall into, is the fallacy of confusing correlation with causation.
Did you know that violent crime rates rise in direct correlation with ice cream sales? Does that mean we should ban ice cream for causing violent crime?
In the above case, ice cream sales go up in the summer. Violent crime rates also increase during the summer for whatever reason. The two are correlated because they share a common cause, not because one causes the other. Perhaps the harm to women you refer to has other causes?
The anti-choice movement likes to assert that abortions are psychologically or medically harmful to women but none of these assertions have gained any support in either the medical or psychological communities.
Quote:However, abortion and sterilization can also be a means of extermination and genocide.
And?
Because a practice can be used for nefarious purposes doesn't necessarily mean the practice itself is nefarious.
Quote:I've seen how abortion clinics are strategically placed in certain locations under the disguise of healthcare for struggling African American women.
Is that because they're targeting and deceiving certain population groups or because they are located where demand is highest? And many abortion clinics ARE also healthcare resources. Planned Parenthood is more than just abortions. Family planning, contraception, and other medical services are part of their mission.
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