Eugenics targets Racial Minorities

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I don't think it's entirely poisoning the well in the sense that the organization itself is not intrinsically racist that I know of.

And that's really the point.

Sir Issac Newton was a horrible, nasty human being. He also believed in crazy things like alchemy and Biblical prophecy. That doesn't mean that either his discoveries in the laws of physics or the science of physics is tainted by either his rudeness or his unrelated crackpottery.

Science ignores what the scientist is like and it disregards any crazy things the scientist might also believe. You can be a truly horrid human being and come up with 1000 batshit ideas and then make one verifiable discovery and science will embrace that one discovery on its own merit.

Back to the OP and how this relates, you can say what you like about the founder of Planned Parenthood or, for that matter, certain specific contributors, but unless you can make a case that the organization itself is racist, these allegations has nothing to do with the organization, let alone the pro-choice movement.

But knowing women that have had abortions, it can hurt women as well.

This is the fallacy of anecdotal evidence (or the "limited sample" pitfall of statistical analysis). This kind of argument is emotionally persuasive but can lead us to the wrong conclusions. All the Catholic girls I've slept with are hot but that doesn't mean that I should conclude all Catholic girls, or even most Catholic girls, are great in bed. It's important to get large and randomized statistical samples of a population before we can gain confidence about statements we make about a population.

I don't know the women you know but another question that pops into mind is are you certain these women were hurt by the abortions? A fallacy we need to be careful of, and is so easy to fall into, is the fallacy of confusing correlation with causation.

Did you know that violent crime rates rise in direct correlation with ice cream sales? Does that mean we should ban ice cream for causing violent crime?

In the above case, ice cream sales go up in the summer. Violent crime rates also increase during the summer for whatever reason. The two are correlated because they share a common cause, not because one causes the other. Perhaps the harm to women you refer to has other causes?

The anti-choice movement likes to assert that abortions are psychologically or medically harmful to women but none of these assertions have gained any support in either the medical or psychological communities.

However, abortion and sterilization can also be a means of extermination and genocide.

And?

Because a practice can be used for nefarious purposes doesn't necessarily mean the practice itself is nefarious.

I've seen how abortion clinics are strategically placed in certain locations under the disguise of healthcare for struggling African American women.

Is that because they're targeting and deceiving certain population groups or because they are located where demand is highest? And many abortion clinics ARE also healthcare resources. Planned Parenthood is more than just abortions. Family planning, contraception, and other medical services are part of their mission.

The title is about Eugeics not the pro-choice movement. Now, anyone breeding cattle knows that you breed the cattle that have the best genetics and strength in the areas that they are needed for. I hate to see human misery and suffering. If Eugenics will relieve suffering and create a better future for the world, then I'm for it.

Eugenics isn't the same thing as this conversation has become on this thread which is perhaps mainly my fault. Some Eugenicists simply are compassionate and thoughtfull people who wish to find ways to improve future generations through selective reproduction. If this will relieve human suffering and create a better world for our grand and great grandchildren, I'm all for it.

The problem is, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party were the epitome of this mentality and I think we should be concerned about how barbaric the end result of these standards could become: Breed large families with couples who have normal or superior intelligence, physical health, and emotional stability. Sterilize the feeble minded and weak for the better of society.

Who then becomes the ultimate authority to decide who can breed and who cannot? African American women have in fact gone through forced sterilization thanks to the Eugenics movement, but since Eugenics has very limited power due to the moral objections primarily from "Religious" people, Eugenics cannot show it's ugly head. Now adays, only the greatest of Imbeciles would actually come out and declare their desire to see the sterilization of "undesirable races".

It is in fact true that some donors of planned parenthood will make sure, prior to donating money, that it will be used entirely for the sterilization, contracepting, and aborting African Americans because they want as few blacks in this country as possible.

Whether or not planned parenthood is racist...racist people love planned parenthood. Planned parenthood has wiped out an enormous percentage of the black population in America and those in America with a racist agenda rejoice.

But thank you Deist Paladin, unlike Chas, who just shows up on multiple of my threads to basically just call me a dumbshit, you actually provide a wise, articulate, and educated wealth of information and reason in defense of your views, so I read with admiration your posts, and duly make note and consideration of what you have to say.

Peace be with you my friend!

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RE: Is there anyone here that is NOT depressed?
I wasn't necessarily agreeing with the generalization of the people on this forum. His post kinda touched on a point I was about to get into.

I was addressing the issue that excessive internet use may exaggerate depression symptoms or may even cause it in some people. I can kinda speak on this matter from experience. The internet can make me very depressed sometimes. It like drains the life out of me it's weird... I can't really explain it.

Of course, correlation isn't causation. The study between depression and internet use definitely needs to be looked into more.


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No, it all depends on the women's body. Say I'm 7 or 8 weeks pregnant and I miscarry... If my cervix doesn't dilate wide enough to pass the embryo I will need a D&C. This happens all the fucking time. D&C is the SAME procedure used for surgical abortions up to 12 weeks gestation (legally). So, the dismemberment you see in those "abortion" photos can very well be miscarriages that required a D&C procedure.

My wife told me a horror story about one woman's experience here in my home town. Almost across the street from the Planned Parenthood clinic is a faux abortion clinic run by pro-lifers. The woman, who was married and she and her husband already endured the upset of the miscarriage, was in for more emotional upset when she walked into the wrong clinic. The pro-life operators of the faux woman's clinic kept thinking she was there for an abortion when she needed to be cleaned out before the corpse of the fetus became gangrenous. Getting the runaround and the series of lectures was the last thing she needed.

It really underscores the insensitivity of the pro-life idiots that harass and cat-call the women who enter the clinic. While working as a volunteer human shield, I was supposed to remain quiet and I did, but every part of me wanted to tell them, "You don't know her story so stop assuming she slept around because it fits your internal narrative."

Great point! Thank you!