RE: The free will argument demonstrates that christians don't understand free will.
May 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm
(May 2, 2014 at 1:36 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote:Or you could walk away, yoddle, pick your nose...really I could go on and on forever. There isn't even a limit on the number of general categories. Your point has now been fully refuted. Next.(May 2, 2014 at 12:48 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I think there is a difference between potential and probability. Saying that someone is conditioned to behave in a certain way just because they have the ability and opportunity to do so…that’s a big leap. Again, humans do not just conform to their circumstances. Humans change things to create opportunities that never before existed. For example, there is a scene in Ender’s Game in which Ender plays a video game. In the game, a giant presents Ender’s mouse character with a choice between two goblets, one leads to fairyland while the other is poison. In a display of genius, Ender chooses neither. His mouse character leaps into the giant’s eye socket and kills him. We create choices every bit as much as we make them.
I'm not saying they're conditioned to behave that way. I'm saying their behavior is conditional, just as your forum membership is conditional because it is conditioned upon your adherence to the code of conduct.
Humans can respond in novel and unexpected ways, but those responses still fall within general categories. Either you swim or you don't swim: this set of choices is exhaustive. You can swim in a novel way, and you can avoid swimming in a novel way, but you're still swimming or not swimming.