RE: Necessity is not evidence
May 12, 2014 at 2:27 pm
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2014 at 2:32 pm by MindForgedManacle.)
(May 12, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Chas Wrote: \
That quote is simply nonsense. His last sentence is entirely false.
Well, it actually isn't. Take the classical syllogism:
All men are mortal;
Socrates is a man;
Therefore Socrates is mortal.
It is patently obvious that if you accept the first premise you're going to accept the conclusion, if you already accept that Socrates is mortal. Likewise, if you believe God is a necessarily existence being, you'll obviously accept that he exists if you already accept that possible worlds are real things.
(May 12, 2014 at 2:17 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: This is still going on? A refutation from Plantinga himself, and the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy wasn't enough, and MFM still wants to play make believe the argument is valid, because Plantinga admitted atheists would reject the premises?
Consensus: "The argument is wrong."
Me: "The argument is wrong."
MFM: "Well, A. Plantinga admits his argument is wrong, so it's not really wrong, it's just that everyone seems to think the first few premises are bullshit."
This is nothing more than an extended look at how truly brainwashed Plantinga is from his upbringing, and has no business injecting this shit into a field dealing with the foundation of knowledge.
I'm sorry, but you are either very dense or just a liar. I NEVER said the argument works, I said YOU don't know what you're talking about with respect to the argument. I did NOT say anything like "Well, A. Plantinga admits his argument is wrong, so it's not really wrong, it's just that everyone seems to think the first few premises are bullshit." Pointing out that you are giving poor representations of the argument and aren't actually accurately representing an external source's portrayal argument is showing that you aren't giving very good reasons to reject the argument. Worse, I've repeatedly said I don't accept the argument, and I even posted a link to a thread I made 2 months ago detailing exactly why I think the argument doesn't work:
MindForgedManacle Wrote:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-24575.html
But go on being a liar and evading points you've been rebutted on.
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