Pro-life atheists

[Losty]

I know a lot of people take offense to the statement I'm about to make, but I really don't care in this instance. If you're not a woman, you should have no say in this debate at all.

I'll say it again: If you're not a woman, you should have no say in this debate.

Now, on an individual basis, I think most of the time the father's opinion should be considered, but that's as far as it goes.

My body, my choice. Fuck off if you think you have any right to tell me otherwise.

Not being personally affected by something doesn't mean you should have no say in it. That's probably why it gets on a lot of people's nerves. If someone is cutting themselves all the time, you should have no say in the debate. His body, his choice. Close down all the suicide prevention agencies.

I don't mind suicide prevention agencies and I don't mind pregnancy support clinics like Options Now. I have no problem with people kindly and thoughtfully presenting what they feel are better choices and offering to help you if you are interesting in taking some other path. In both circumstances I think someone who is mentally competent and at least 18 should have the final say in their choice regardless.

You want to kill something a potential person that could live for 80+ years, because you don't want to be inconveniences for 6-10 months, and you don't understand why some people have a problem with that?

I edited your argument for you, just because I don't want to have debates on whether or not you should be allowed to kill cockroaches in your own home.
I completely understand why some people would have a problem with it. I really do. Just like I have a problem with people who choose not to donate their organs when they're going to be dead anyways. I also understand that even though I think it's wrong, I have no right to try to force them allow the use of their body.

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Sure guys can be involved in a discussion about whether it's right or wrong. I don't have any problem with that, because it's just a discussion. When it's actually time for a real person to make this decision no one else's opinion counts except hers. Not men or women. Maybe the father, I think that really depends on their relationship.

I've given a lot of thought to what you've said. The rights of the father are limited, but perhaps can be clarified if we consider conception of a child is a contract with negative rights - the right to cancel out within reason.

Perhaps we should try another thread?

We limit the right of abortion past a point - this affects women as they must choose if they want a child before a deadline.

Fathers don't have that deadline. Perhaps they should be able to decide if they will raise the child well before the abortion deadline to give the mother ample notice and warning to reconsider having a child.

This would necessitate making a public fund to ensure poor women, who decided to have a child despite knowing the father has knowingly been against said child, can raise the child regardless.

I say this to carefully remove the ability to force child support from potential fathers if it can be shown that there was no intent to father a child, while granting prospective mothers the chance to decide.

This in an attempt to preserve maximum freedom for all parties by demanding notice be given.

I've had this conversation in a thread at TTA already actually. I personally don't see the need for a new thread considering that the OP isn't even participating. I love to talk about that stuff though so if you want to or have already started a new thread let me know!