(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: If ,you're wrong ,all you gain is some guilty pleasures and lose an eternity.People who use Pascal's Wager seem to assume a couple of things:
If I'm right I give up vice and crime and perversions but gain an eternity .
its a no brainer ,except for those with no brains
1- that there are two paths and each leads to a specific outcome.
2- that they aren't gambling because they happen to have found "the true truth," so to speak.
But the problem is that there are dozens of different religions, if not hundreds. And if we only count the Abrahamic religions, there are tens of thousands of denominations, with differences that range from so minor as to not matter, to so major that the denominations in question may have spent centuries murdering one another over them. And the various approaches leave us with many different possibilities:
- Some religious people believe that it is sufficient to "live a good life" and that god will reward us regardless of anything else. So it's entirely possible that when you are entering into heaven, you will find yourself shoulder-to-shoulder with that 'brainless' atheist who spent his time on Earth enjoying some of the simple pleasures that you denied yourself. Which means you'll spend at least one Earth lifetime feeling gypped, before you finally decide that meh... you're in heaven forever anyway.
- Some religious people believe that the most important thing in life is your confession and acceptance of Christ, and that even a monstrous human being who converts on his deathbed will be admitted to heaven. So it's also possible that when you are entering heaven, you are greeted by that miserable boss who overworked you, underpaid you, harassed his secretary until she quit and became destitute, cheated on his taxes and used the gains to buy drugs and hookers and spent decades neglecting his saintly wife and children. And you spend eternity trying to avoid him because you just can't stand that smug grin on his face any time he sees you.
- Other religious people believe that unless you follow a very strict interpretation of their holy book you are hell-bound regardless of how good a person you were; their god minds the details and is extremely unforgiving. So it's even possible that you wind up in hell, squirming in delirious pain next to that atheist bastard who openly rejected god, and your only thought for the next trillion years is that at least THAT asshole got to masturbate and smoke pot occasionally and the only thing you have to show for your time on Earth is a heck of a lot of cold showers and lonely evenings.
But no, you don't believe that you're just spinning that roulette wheel with an extra chip on the table. You're convinced that you know where that little ball is going to land, and all of those other dopes have it all wrong. And they feel the same way about you, and they can do about as good a job of proving it as you can.
So you'd better be right, or the only difference between that brainless atheist and you is going to be that he got to have some fun before you both went to the afterlife. Bet you'll wish you'd spent a bit more time on those guilty pleasures then.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould