Abortion is morally wrong

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So are we pro choicers here now collectively saying that there is no objective morality?

I'm shocked here to see Esq waving that, when previously he's argued with me that it's always without exception wrong to kill babies (God > flood).

Why should a subjective view not have consistent points? All I was saying is that morality isn't external to human beings, derived from some other source; it's a product of our interactions and reactions to the reality in which we live, based upon analyses, evidence and a prioritizing of our own values, in the context of a consistently applied standard that would ensure the greatest positives, with the least number of negatives.

With regards to killing babies, the reason that this is immoral is that there's no benefit or point to it; it causes suffering (an automatic negative) without providing a balancing positive. Specifically, this is important within the context of the biblical flood, where the babies could not have been the problem that the flood was intent to solve, their killing could have been avoided without cost to the problem solver, and their killing did not resolve the problem anyway.

But that's kind of a divergence. My point is, don't mistake "subjective" for "completely up to individual opinion," or "incapable of having embedded absolutes." The only difference with an absolute in a subjective model is that it requires backing up.