(June 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(June 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: I lack belief in deities. Am I supposed to prove that I lack belief in deities?
Let me try to be more clear: Atheism is mostly regarded as the belief that no gods exist. Sure, people who are atheists do lack belief in the existence of God, but that's an incidental property (i.e it has nothing to do with atheism). Likewise, 0 is not a positive number, but that doesn't make it a negative number simply because it lacks positivity.
How about atheism is arguing over the correct definitions of atheism and agnosticism?
(June 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: I class myself as 6.9 on the Dawkins Scale Of Theistic Probability. There are so many different concepts of what the deities are that somebody's concept could turn out to be describing reality. All I need is proof that somebody's concept actually is reality.
(June 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I think I'd say "agnostic" describes you better then, or maybe a weak atheist (although even the latter label has problems).
Modern science has come up with many different models of what the universe might be - a hologram or a computer simulation are just two of them. I currently lack belief in them because there is no actual proof as yet that anybody's model is describing reality. On the other hand, somebody's model could turn out to be right. All I need is proof that somebody's model is describing reality. That makes me a weak what in relation to modern scientific cosmology?
I think Richard Dawkins did a very good summing up of a 6.9.
Quote:Dawkins identifies himself repeatedly as an atheist, while also pointing out that, in a sense, he is also agnostic, though "only to the extent that I am agnostic about fairies at the bottom of the garden".
I'm not Richard Dawkins, though, so there's a possibility that, one day, I might have a subjective experience of fairies at the bottom of my garden.
(June 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Okay.
Exactly. Every atheist is an individual with individual viewpoints. There isn't a word which means - atheist who uses Jungian psychology and who has subjective experiences of deities but lacks belief in them as objective realities and will continue to do so unless science discovers absolute reality and proves it's the Hindu Brahman so all the deities are really aspects of it. This is why I put 'using New Age perception' for my Religious Views.
Where are the snake and mushroom smilies?