Abortion is morally wrong

[Dystopia]

I keep jars of it ... and other people's.

Well it's still a though question to decide when we can consider an unborn child a human, this is why I can't take a position. I'll be pro choice, then, sounds more reasonable. I think all pro lifers will agree with me that any women should be able to abort in case of rape, life endangering or malformation of the fetus, these are cases that even anti abortion legislation allow frequently since they are the exception and not the norm.

Todd Akin, Representative of Missouri and prominent anti-choice advocate, said “It [pregnancy resulting from rape] seems to be, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, it’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/us/pol....html?_r=0

" "Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock
Mourdock was asked during the final minutes of a debate whether abortion should be allowed in cases of rape or incest.
He replied: “I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that’s something God intended to happen.” "
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/101...z36EFGZgVA

Representative Trent Franks (AZ) wants to ban all abortions because “The incidence of rape resulting in pregnancy are very low.”

Barbara Listing, the president of Right to Life Michigan, thinks if abortion is legal it should cost extra. “It’s simply, like, nobody plans to have an accident in a car accident, nobody plans to have their homes flooded. You have to buy extra insurance for those.”

The last two quotes above from this link:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/11448...liferating


As nice as it is to think anti-choicers are reasonable people who would allow abortions in cases of rape or incest, there is at least a small, extremely vocal, politically well-situated group of them with a lot of influence who think all abortion, regardless of circumstances, are wrong and every pregnancy is God's gift to the mother.

I'm not saying all pro lifers agree with these 3 exceptions, however even when abortion was illegal in my country, these 3 cases were legal since they are not the norm and complications can arise. No one should tell a woman to raise a child conceived trough rape, to put her life at stake or to raise an handicapped kid (mentally or physically). Even my girlfriend, a militant pro lifer agrees perfectly that these 3 exceptions should be allowed. Of course there is always nutjobs with no sense of justice. One thing everybody should remember is that there is always a general rule AND exceptions, exceptions exist because they are different cases that require different treatment

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Know the free contraceptives are low quality, however you cannot demand high quality contraceptives without more taxes (and currently raising taxes is impossible, they are already to high), you pay what you come to get. If you do not have quality contraceptives, at least use the low quality ones, or use 'natural' methods to stop pregnancy, even someone very poor can afford a contraceptive, some kind of pill alike contraceptive such as the arm implant are free but few women know about it, it works 99% of the time.

I'm thinking high quality contraception would be cheaper than having abortions.

Yes but politicians sometimes don't know 1+1=2. It happens. It's just like choosing between increasing welfare or creating long term jobs. Politicians prefer spending on welfare instead of picking the tougher option of creating sustainable employment

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Blackout I think you are too gullible. Abortion is not skyrocketing in Portugal. Wikipedia says Portugal abortion rate is .009% compared to .033% in the UK, and 1.7% in the US.

Also, I think the Catholic Church has a huge impact on society and laws. You denying doesn't mean it isn't there.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Portugal

I didn't say abortion was skyrocketing in portugal, I just said some women are using it wrongly, abortion should be a last resort, not a contraceptive measure, at least they should pay out of their pockets to incentive them to not use abortion like this. I never compared portugal with the UK or any other country, but recent statistics showed one or two years after legalization abortions per women increased, considering we are in a crisis and few people have means to provide for a full family this is justified.

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Our former prime minister described himself as an agnostic, mostly to earn votes from both sides, but I'm pretty sure he was an atheist. Regardless we left us almost bankrupt and everybody hates it. Religion is as influential as in France or Italy, there is still a predominance of Christianity (about 70%, 80% in Italy) but it isn't as influential as in the US, we do not know our politicians' religious beliefs nor does anybody care, our constitution has the principle of secularism and the political rhetoric of using god as an argument is not valid. People are against it not exactly because of Christianity per se, but because a lot of old, middle aged people and so on still share some ultra conservative ideologies from fascism back in 1974, the common person will think as abortion = Murder and is incapable of thinking about it deeper, regardless of personal religion. I don't hear people saying they are against abortion and gay marriage because of god, but mainly because it's 'murder' (Abortion) and 'disgusting and unnatural' (gay marriage). At least I can say we have successfully created an atheist association some years ago.

Huh...I can't recall ever hearing the 'homosexuality is disgusting and unnatural' argument when it wasn't religious. What kind of justification do they give, if not religious?

They just think 'Well women and men procreate, therefore 2 men or 2 women together is anti-natural-law and should be illegal, it's disgusting'. I've met the typical middle aged or older man that says 'I'm against gay marriage unless the couple is lesbian, that's hot'