RE: Stop calling atheists 'fundamentalists'
July 23, 2014 at 4:34 pm
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2014 at 4:44 pm by Dystopia.)
(July 23, 2014 at 4:28 pm)Zidneya Wrote:(July 22, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Blackout Wrote: Why do some theists, particularly religious ones, like so much to point out and accuse some atheists of being fundamentalists (similar to religious ones)? Don't they realize atheism has no dogmas, therefore there can't be any fundamentalism? Stop using that word theists, I don't think it means what you think it means!You guys are compared as fundamentalists? I'm sorry is just that all this is sound very oblivious, at least for me. I mean no one in Latin America call us atheist fundamentalists. That's why is a little hard for me to believe that.
I've heard theists call atheists fundamentalists, but what to you mean by 'you guys'?
(July 23, 2014 at 4:24 pm)Rabb Allah Wrote:(July 23, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Blackout Wrote: It is not however an absolute 'principle'. By the way, I don't consider I chose to be an atheist, I was simply forced to become one given the facts. It wasn't a choice, I simply looked at facts and reality, just like I didn't chose that green is green and red is red, I simply looked at the colours and determined they were green and red. The facts forced me to reach the conclusion. You can't be a fundamentalist if you can question the rules and principles/dogmas, world views, whatever you want to call them. I can question my belief position every time I wish too, and I will stop following it if it starts leading to bad results. A fundamentalist follows the whole doctrine without questioning, even if the result is hideous. If the holy book X says 'kill people Y' they will kill people Y, even if it's wrong. And I don't think not believing in gods is a premise, it's the conclusion. However, premises and conclusions can be questioned and dismissed if there is inductive or deductive evidence.
ow you are making this subjective. Having encountered Muslims before they would not consider evidence as evidence only Islam is evidence. You are bound by reason like me and have no choice but to make reasonable decisions but not everybody is like this and most are the opposite.
Fundamentalism is only inherent upon the ideology or concept you adhere to, in this case atheism. You are an atheist because you question things. This is like saying you are not a fundamentalist skeptic.
I'm a bit tired of explaining my position so I'll quote wikipedia to make things clearer for you. This is why atheists are not fundamentalists:
Quote:Fundamentalism is the demand for a strict adherence to orthodox theological doctrines, usually understood as a reaction to Modernist theology.[1] The term was originally coined by its supporters to describe five specific classic theological beliefs of Christianity, and that developed into a Christian fundamentalist movement within the Protestant community of the United States in the early part of the 20th century.[2]
The term usually has a religious connotation indicating unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs,[3] but fundamentalism has come to be applied to a broad tendency among certain groups, mainly, although not exclusively, in religion. This tendency is most often characterized by a markedly strict literalism as applied to certain specific scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies, and a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions[4] [5] [6] [7] , which can lead to an emphasis on purity and the desire to return to a previous ideal from which it is believed that members have begun to stray. Rejection of diversity of opinion as applied to these established "fundamentals" and their accepted interpretation within the group is often the result of this tendency.[8]
Fundamentalism is sometimes used as a pejorative term, particularly when combined with other epithets (as in the phrase "right-wing fundamentalists").
Where does atheist fit in?
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you