(August 11, 2014 at 6:21 pm)Natachan Wrote: I found those studies after some searching, and tons like them. "After adjusting for BMI" really stood out. Including hot dogs, bologna, cured meats, and bacon as red meat also stood out. Pastrami is not the same thing as venison and equating them is rather silly.
I am not going to convince you, however, and you are not going to convince me. Problems are that both sides have clear biases. A high protein diet works for me, and I feel really crummy when I go without meat for a while. I can't eat fish (which is what a lot of places recommend) so my only options are poultry and red meat. My diet consists of fresh fruit, raw veggies, some dairy, and grain fed free range meat (and wild game). And this works for me. And there's some data to show that this is a fairly good dietary plan.
Both venison and pastrami are red meats and therefore contain high amounts of haem iron, excess of which has been associated with diabetes as demonstrated in the link I provided previously. There is a clear mechanism involved. Perhaps you are right, but people should make an informed decision about the relative risks, not one just based on wishful thinking, cultural norms or habits.
For a high protein vegan diet see this study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24500611
A diet that includes red meat might work for you now, but it might not work in the long term, and it certainly does not work out well for the animals who have their lives cut short. If the latter does not fill you with a sense of injustice, or even just unease, then yes, I suspect there there will be no convincing you.
