RE: On naturalism and consciousness
August 27, 2014 at 8:47 am
(This post was last modified: August 27, 2014 at 9:06 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Quote:Our epistemic position in trying to describe and explain our inner workings just is not all that good. Fortunately not much rides on it. It fascinates me but I won't go hungry if I get it wrong.Hehehe, but you probably -would- go hungry if you withheld action based upon those inner workings on the basis of not possessing "knowledge" about them - suspecting that they were untrustworthy, perhaps.
Dinner, not truth, eh Whatevs?
@Benny
Quote:Maybe it has and maybe it hasn't. I'd have to be an ANN to know. And the reason I have to be an ANN to know is that experience is not physical, and cannot therefore be observed by anyone but the experiencer.That applies to other living human beings in the here and now, doesn't it Benny? How do you even know that being an ANN would grant you this knowledge? Perhaps the sim is designed not just to fool you, but also to fool the ANN, or we could double blind it, see if an ANN can remotely turing test another ANN (or perhaps they could turing test each other, simulataneously (would we even know which ANN was testing which, if we put enough blinds in there?). Where is the therefore, can you demonstrate that anyone is capable of observing these experiences whatsoever? Why would a single observer have access to this non-physical thing in a way that precluded observation by anyone else? Or, another way to approach the same question - why would you, a being (presumably) capable of observing this non-physical thing....this is an ability that you possess, suddenly lose that ability when presented with an ANN or another being or entity? Why is this ability limited only to observing your own "experience"?
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