Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 23, 2024, 7:49 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Science: A Religion? (long post)
#37
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post)
(September 7, 2014 at 11:07 am)ManMachine Wrote: Science: A Religion?

The post meanders quite a bit, so I'll only address the points at which I consider your argument to fail.

(September 7, 2014 at 11:07 am)ManMachine Wrote: 4. Scientific Knowledge and Technology – The ‘output’ of scientific method and theory
5. Scientific Authority – The accumulated ‘significance’ scientific knowledge and technology has for humanity – e.g. Moral, Legal, Political, Societal, Educational, Commercial, (surprisingly for many or perhaps not so for others) Religious and in a recursive sense other Scientific Endeavour

These two points are a bit problematic. While the body of scientific knowledge is a principle concept, its application in other fields is not. That is the basic difference between scientific inquiry and technological application.


(September 7, 2014 at 11:07 am)ManMachine Wrote: The fundamental purpose of religion is to provide hope and censorship,

That is an incorrect and inadequate definition of religion. As it happens, this is what your whole argument is based on.

Any intellectual pursuit can serve those purposes - philosophy, political and social movement, pursuit of arts etc. By your definition, all of them would automatically become one types of religion. This is without taking into account the fact that those two needs aren't the only ones that religion supposedly fulfills.

Further, defining religion should not simply rely on which needs it services but how it services. Positing supernatural agency as the authoritative source is the feature of religion that distinguishes it from other intellectual activities like philosophy, politics and yes, science.

(September 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm)ManMachine Wrote: I actually used this as my definition of religion;

'A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.'

By that definition, how do you differentiate between a political philosophy - say, communism - and a religion?
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 7, 2014 at 11:07 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Diablo - September 7, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 7, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Chas - September 15, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Diablo - September 7, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 7, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Diablo - September 7, 2014 at 2:13 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by downbeatplumb - September 8, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 8, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by downbeatplumb - September 7, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 7, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Anomalocaris - September 7, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Mudhammam - September 7, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Gawdzilla - September 7, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by MysticKnight - September 7, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Diablo - September 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 7, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by FreeTony - September 7, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Mudhammam - September 7, 2014 at 5:26 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Diablo - September 7, 2014 at 4:40 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Jenny A - September 7, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Thumpalumpacus - September 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 8, 2014 at 4:29 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Thumpalumpacus - September 8, 2014 at 9:02 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 8, 2014 at 11:05 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Ryantology - September 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Losty - September 7, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 8, 2014 at 3:22 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Ryantology - September 8, 2014 at 5:40 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 8, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by bennyboy - September 7, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by fr0d0 - September 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by bennyboy - September 7, 2014 at 10:39 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by Michael - September 8, 2014 at 3:13 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by naimless - September 8, 2014 at 6:31 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by genkaus - September 13, 2014 at 9:00 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 14, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by genkaus - September 14, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by SteelCurtain - September 14, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by ManMachine - September 15, 2014 at 7:29 am
RE: Science: A Religion? (long post) - by genkaus - September 15, 2014 at 8:02 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  (LONG) "I Don't Know" as a Good Answer in Ethics vulcanlogician 69 9324 November 27, 2017 at 1:10 am
Last Post: vulcanlogician
  A good argument for God's existence (long but worth it) Mystic 179 33487 October 26, 2017 at 1:51 pm
Last Post: Crossless2.0
  Very short version of the long argument. Mystic 68 10761 September 18, 2017 at 9:38 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
Question How does one respond to this argument?It's long but an interesting read. Thanks :) fruyian 44 7215 May 19, 2016 at 5:08 pm
Last Post: SteveII
  Long term Nihilists CapnAwesome 41 7390 April 26, 2015 at 1:31 pm
Last Post: Hatshepsut



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)