(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: The important difference being that Einstein didn't decide to educate himself in order to argue from authority against an established scientific theory that he'd made up his mind on before studying the evidence, as a result of religious dogma. It's a distinction you seem to have missed, but the, missing the point seems to be all you do around here.
Einstein presupposed an eternal universe...and his own equations proved that presupposition wrong
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: "Shermer has done X bad thing, therefore his arguments are invalid" is an example of the genetic fallacy.
Dude, I didn't say anything about what Shermer "did"...what the hell are you talking about?
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If that's what you were going for, you've hit upon yet another fallacy.
How the hell is me asking you are you a fan of Shermer committing the genetic fallacy? That is ALL I asked. WTF?
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If it's not, what is the point of asking me if I'm a fan of Shermer?
Because he an atheist and advocate of evolution on a popular level...that is why...nothing more, nothing less.
Although he has a knack for getting his ass handed to him in debates...like this one...short, but sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNMw35abIIo
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: But I wouldn't be objecting on the basis of kinds. I would be objecting on the basis of species, like a normal person. Are kinds just the same as species?
I understand that the word "species" is a shaky term in biology...who gets to determine what is and what isn't a species? The same individuals that believe in the theory, that's who.
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Are kinds just the same as species? If not, then if you asked for a dog and the guy brought out a wolf, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, right?
I believe a wolf is of the "dog" kind.
Dog kind: wolf, dingo, domestic dog, coyote, jackal, wild dogs
Cat kind: lion, tiger, domestic cat, cheetah, leopard
Bear kind: grizzly, brown, polar, kiola, panda
Seems pretty simple to me.
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I mean, you just said earlier that wolves were a part of the dog kind, so how would you be able to complain at being given a wolf?
That would depend on whether or not I want that specific kind of dog. I may not want a wolf, I may want a doberman pinscher.
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So how are you making these determinations at all?
How are you? You are the one that think that dinosaurs-reptiles involved in to birds...how do you make that determination?? You've never seen any kind of change like that in your life, yet you think that long ago when you wasn't around, that it happened? If that isn't faith, I don't know what is.
All I see is animals producing their kind...I don't know why some animals within the kind can't produce, but they are clearly the same kind of animal..and I don't see how that so difficult to believe, but reptile to birds is so highly accepted as truth.
It blows my mind.
If you can't see that a malamute, husky, and wolf are the same kind of animal, then there is nothing more I can do to help.