Detecting design or intent in nature

[Chili]

Our Original Sin equals Plato's State of Oblivion, and therefore shepherds are good news, and are good news without even saying a thing. They just give us a sense of belonging so we will know where the manger is at. That is the only reason for this and then please know that the manger was missing in Matthew as an early foreshadow that hell will be destiny for him.

Limbo would be with no shepherds to guide the us, and that comes with communion with the saints in heaven to show direction for us, also again without saying a word.

Original Sin does not equal sinful, and shepherds also are inside the Cave with only a connection to the outside and therefore can be our guide.

Of course they are allegory but be reminded here that we are the illusion our self, as in each one of us while inside the cave.

The shepherds in the Gospels merely were insights in the mind of Joseph the Jew, but that is not part of the argument here.

Okay this time I understand what it is you are trying to say. I can't imagine how you get that out of the Bible, Christianity, or Plato. I does does sound vaguely Gnostic though.

Yes I know, but that also makes the Gnostics an illegitimate group because the -ism does not belong in the same way as the -ity does not belong to the word Christian.

I don't know what you have against suffixes, but there's nothing illegitimate philosophically or etymologically about words that use them. "Ism" is just a suffix used in the English language for forming nouns of action, state, condition, and especially doctrine. So Gnosticism if you translated its roots literally would be a state or condition of having knowledge or a doctrine concerning knowledge. But words change meaning over time. And Gnosticism means something a little more specific than that.

"-Ity" has even less specific meaning than "ism." It means roughly having the quality of, being, or being like, or being collectively. It's a perfectly reasonable suffix to use with Christ to describe people attempting to follow Christ.

Oh I see. Please know dear that I have nothing against the suffix -ism and -ity except that they cannot belong to certain words.

Gnostic here equals omniscient or all-knowing and that only means to know your own self. This is equal to the mind of Christ and that would be on earth. In Buddhism he would be called arahant and also a sage. And do not get mixed up here with Iman because that is a social role only.

So now to say Gnosticism is like saying 'sageism' or pregnantism as that would be the same and just cannot be.

And please understand that gnostic does not mean "we know something" because we all do but are not gnostic. Maybe, just maybe, you cannot perceive that at the top wisdom is the same for all people and is where all religions meet and are one, except for Protestantism and Islam that are runaways with only snippets of truth and can never reach Nirvana or Heaven on earth that the Greeks called Gnostic and reside in Elysium that we would call heaven on earth.

That is the problem with protestants who call themselves Christian, also known as the anti-Christ in Christendom.

And you do not have to believe anything I write, but I am just telling you how it is.

Let's just call "the mind of Christ" the end that we seek where gnosis would be ours, and would that not make Gnosticism and Christianity a denial of that and a contradiction in terms?

Let's not. If I understand you correctly you think that if you know the mind of Christ you have the ultimate knowledge and that that is what you seek. Sounds like a brand of Gnosticism to me. However, I don't see how such a pursuit would make Gnosticism or Christianity contradiction in terms (the idea makes me wonder if you know what a contradiction is terms is). But, as I don't believe in god or the Jesus was Christ, or that there is such ultimate knowledge, I won't be seeking it. I'll leave you to it.

No, just opposite. So called self proclaimed Christian is like Gnosticism
and they will always read that stupid book that they carry in their right hand but do not understand any of it, and worse yet, they will bomb the wrong counties again and again because their Jesus will not come back. They are total idiots and I am probable more anti-christian than anyone here.

Always remember that Catholics are sinners and then let me add that in America Catholics are not Catholic like we were, with not a protestant ever to be seen. However, they are Catholic but never the same as we were.

It is just philosophy dear, but these words are crucial in seeing the end while we are believers and doubters looking for destiny our self.

It's just nonsense. You are having your own little battle with language. But it doesn't appear to be a battle that produces clarity.

The answer is very simple and that is "know who you are" in the end and that can be called Christian (if you like or not like), but that surely means that religion is not any part of it then = no -ity or -ism for sure.

Now that is a philosophy of sorts. But it has nothing to do with Christianity, or being Christian, which is not to say that some Christians might not seek to know themselves.

Once again? What does any of this have to do with design in nature?

And why do you call yourself Catholic?

Then we are done and thank you. I am not here to convince you of anything, but give my opinion and you do as you please.