(January 18, 2015 at 10:30 am)JuliaL Wrote: If the intellect in question is a natural object, not requiring an intellect for its generation, then its design products are also natural.
By this thinking cars are natural products. When people claim that cars need intellect to exist I think you know very well what they mean.
(January 18, 2015 at 10:30 am)JuliaL Wrote: I don't know if you need circularity or special pleading to make the inference that design is required for intellect or intellect is required for design, but from the length of this thread, I lean towards the former.
Evolved intellects are not necessarily designed intellects. We are not discussing intellects being designed or even evolutionary systems themselves being designed. What we are discussing is do evolutionary systems require intellects and it seems that they do.