It wasn't Mohammed who founded Islam.

[The Grand Nudger]

My argument is simply that Muhammad claimed and preached to people that he was a Prophet of God, irrespective of whether the claim itself is true or not. Poca, however, thinks that the prophethood of Muhammad is more likely to have been a later addition (after his death) and thus Muhammad never claimed himself to be a Prophet. He thinks that Muhammad was initially just a military leader, and only later had prophethood attached to him for some reason, after his death. So we've been talking about which is more likely and why since there's no hard evidence for either position.

That was very generous of Poca, to have given you such liberties. I'm not convinced that Mo was an actual person to begin with. Seems to me, he's a character in a book of fiction. Even so, with Poca, and all of that leeway, you haven't managed to get beyond the point of "people told stories about a guy named Mo", one of those stories is that he claimed to be a prophet - and I'm afraid that's not enough for me (and I know it isn't enough for you, anywhere else). Need I remind you that these stories contain moon splitting djinn magic? Not what I'd call reliable.

"If the stories in the quran are true, then the stories in the quran would be true!". Uthman is no companion of Mo unless there was a Mo to begin with.