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February 25, 2015 at 5:53 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2015 at 5:58 am by robvalue.)
Musings.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that jesus mooters and mythicists are pretty much the same thing.
Mythicist: There was no actual person that jesus was based on.
Mooter: There probably was an actual person, but they didn't do any of the supernatural stuff, so it's irrelevant.
Say I take the role of a mooter, and that jesus is based on Jim. Now, what actions and dialogue in the bible can I confidently say that Jim actually did? As far as I can see, the answer is none at all. The gospels are the best sources available, and they are all hearsay. They're clearly not even independent, as anyone who has studied them will know. So I don't believe anything on hearsay, that is crap.
What else is there? A few references even later after Jim's supposed death, telling us what people believed about Jim. Bollocks. Hearsay about beliefs. Rubbish. Even if they mentioned a particular event, it's written so far after the fact that it's more likely to just be confirming the NT, which was available for them to read. Especially as we have a lot of suspicious forgeries and tamperings by christians, which further degrades the reliability of any of these sources.
Did I miss anything? Does anyone have a decent case for even one thing, put beyond reasonable doubt?
So in my conclusion, I cannot attribute a single event or spoken word, beyond reasonable doubt, from Jim to jesus. So where does that leave me? Jim could have been absolutely anyone from that time, as far as the comparison goes, and it would make no difference. I have no good reason to think the whole of jesus' story is anything other than mythical construction.
In the end, as a mooter, I come to the same conclusion as the mythicist: there is no good reason to think jesus, as in the jesus doing or saying any of the stuff in the bible, existed at all. Whether or not there was an irrelevant starting point is... irrelevant?
(I should note that I don't care what any historian's opinion is, unless they can back up that opinion with evidence.)
The more I think about it, the more I feel that jesus mooters and mythicists are pretty much the same thing.
Mythicist: There was no actual person that jesus was based on.
Mooter: There probably was an actual person, but they didn't do any of the supernatural stuff, so it's irrelevant.
Say I take the role of a mooter, and that jesus is based on Jim. Now, what actions and dialogue in the bible can I confidently say that Jim actually did? As far as I can see, the answer is none at all. The gospels are the best sources available, and they are all hearsay. They're clearly not even independent, as anyone who has studied them will know. So I don't believe anything on hearsay, that is crap.
What else is there? A few references even later after Jim's supposed death, telling us what people believed about Jim. Bollocks. Hearsay about beliefs. Rubbish. Even if they mentioned a particular event, it's written so far after the fact that it's more likely to just be confirming the NT, which was available for them to read. Especially as we have a lot of suspicious forgeries and tamperings by christians, which further degrades the reliability of any of these sources.
Did I miss anything? Does anyone have a decent case for even one thing, put beyond reasonable doubt?
So in my conclusion, I cannot attribute a single event or spoken word, beyond reasonable doubt, from Jim to jesus. So where does that leave me? Jim could have been absolutely anyone from that time, as far as the comparison goes, and it would make no difference. I have no good reason to think the whole of jesus' story is anything other than mythical construction.
In the end, as a mooter, I come to the same conclusion as the mythicist: there is no good reason to think jesus, as in the jesus doing or saying any of the stuff in the bible, existed at all. Whether or not there was an irrelevant starting point is... irrelevant?
(I should note that I don't care what any historian's opinion is, unless they can back up that opinion with evidence.)
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