(March 20, 2015 at 10:15 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:Correct, but that doesn't fall on the definition of rape - I'm not talking about that. So how do you statistically propose to "prevent" rape considering that rapists usually (I think) don't self identify as such? You may not be aware but the common rapist is no different than the average male and is sometimes nice and caring(March 16, 2015 at 9:15 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Check his video on "teach men not to rape" and there's a part he compares preventing rape with locking your house's door. I'm not required to provide proof you can easily google since you're so familiar with Tf00tWell I don't actually agree with the analogy I do somewhat agree with the premise. No I don't think it's the victims fault in anyway if it does happen, but ifrc the point he is making in that video is that you can't just focus all on boys and fixed the issue.
Too illustrate my point, a woman should not be able to go and get drunk enough that she is unaware of herself, take a guy a home, then lay all sorts of blame on him saying he raped her.
alternatively a man shouldn't be able to rape a girl and say "we'll she was hitting on me" in defense.
The scenario you propose is fuelled by men's rights apologists in defense of rapists who didn't realize having sex with someone who's passed out is rape.
Quote:Not flashing cash and locking your doors doesn't ensure you won't be robbed either, but it minimizes the chances. Where a woman goes, how she dresses and how she behaves can either enhance or minimize the chances of rape.If the clothing has an effect why do you find women in ridiculously conservative clothes getting raped as well? And why does the same happen to women with burqas? And what do you mean behave? Do you mean - Not being nice to anyone because that can be interpreted as a "sexual sign"?
Citation needed Jenny.
Quote:Yes and people with locked doors get robbed too. But I wouldn't advise anyone to leave their doors unlocked.I still need evidence that there's one ideal type of victim
Quote:Date rape is a whole nother ball game. I doubt dress has much to do with that, though choosing your dates careful and not getting drunk with people you don't know really well might.So basically you are saying that Schrodinger's rapist is true - Literally - Because that equates not trusting any man you've just met (and most rapists are probably not showing rapist "traits", they'll be nice and "normal") and potentially almost not dating since rapists are not discernible from non rapists - What you propose here is no social life for women, because that's the only way to significantly prevent rape - And it means you may not be raped but other women will be
Quote:Did you watch the video. We are talking body language here and not provocative body language, but vulnerable body language.Define vulnerable, because to me it may be different, and for rapists as well... In my opinion anyone who is smaller than me looks vulnerable - Conclusion, anyone is a potential rape material
Quote:Nope, body language in public. I learned that to walk boldly and carry a motorcycle helmet makes man cross the street. Appearing sure of yourself is useful for preventing both muggings and rape. It's useful date rape prevention.Rapes on the street are not the norm - And you are correct about preventing crimes like mugging - I dress very dark at night and use a weird thug hat to scare people - But still, it's not going to be useful because the majority of rapes are not in the dark alley with a knife. Tf00t is not precise with body language, he gives no useful advice except against a certain kind of rapist that composes about 1-10% of the population
Quote:That is the only situation I'm address. Violent rape. He was not and I'm not addressing date rape in this context.Then specify it. Tf00t's video was against the "teach men not to rape" and that phrase is used mostly against common everyday rapes and not psychopathic violent rapists - Those are the only ones you probably will not be able to teach not to rape because they lack empathy. The popular slogan talks about the majority of rapists who rape someone they know and are not psychos, they simply rationalize behaviour and think it is appropriate to rape or opportunistic at least. Can you use self-defense? Totally, yes - But to think women don't take "precautions" already is naive - Didn't your parents teach you to not accept drinks from strangers, to not walk alone at night, etc? Does it work to decrease crime? No, you may not be raped, but others will eventually will.
Your proposal is not exactly "stupid", but it's similar to thinking executing thieves will stop other thieves from stealing stuff - It's a bad solution that doesn't fix anything.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you