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Democracy fails...
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RE: Democracy fails...
(March 24, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(March 24, 2015 at 1:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: And on the other hand, when Churchill was visiting the White House shortly after Pearl Harbor, FDR entered into Churchill's quarters when the latter was fully nude. FDR Immediately apologized and made to leave, where upon Churchill said, "I have nothing to hide from the President of the United States."

While Churchill deserve considerable credit for keeping Great Britain fighting during WWI, his own total unscrupulousness, conceit, and a somewhat concealed but brutal sense of racism certainly makes it difficult to regard him as any sort of hero. The death toll from of callous and vindictively racist policies he followed in the aftermath h of the great Indian femine of 1943, which were swept under the rug in post war accounts, would rank him as one of the great butchers of 20th century. Not quite on the same scale as hitler, stalin and Mao, but certainly just one class below and way ahead of pol pot and other small to mid scale killers.

One could argue even the credit he deserve for keeping britain fighting and thus ultimately emerging on the winning side in WWII is seriously offset by the fact that his own antics in WWI contributed a great deal to the profligate squandering of britain's wealth and resources, lengtheneded of the war, and serious wrong footing of Britain in being able to deal with any serious threat to her after WWI in the first place.

While he was certainly riddled with imperfections comparing him to even Pol Pot seems a bit of a stretch. He was a twat about India, no doubt, but I don't think his death toll there after Baldwin's mission failed is anywhere near that of the Khmer Rouge, nor as whimsically deadly.

His advocacy of Gallipoli, which is surely his greatest military failure, was not what took apart the British Empire; that was accomplished by the post-WW One assumption of so many foreign security obligations in the face of a huge war debt owed to the US -- which was only put paid in the 1990s, if I remember correctly. The British Empire was already overstretched before 1914, and was already in the process of being eclipsed by both Germany and America in key economic indices.

I freely admit that as a writer myself, one of the reasons I hold ole Winnie dear as I do is that when the shit hit the fan, he mustered and deployed his best weapons, language and rhetoric, to a degree unmastered by any other speaker of the English language -- and that's no mean feat. I confess my bias, even as I admit his flaws. And I cannot imagine any other man speaking to the British spirit so ably as he did in 1940.

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Democracy fails... - by lifesagift - March 15, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Dystopia - March 15, 2015 at 5:59 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by downbeatplumb - March 24, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Thumpalumpacus - March 24, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by downbeatplumb - March 24, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Thumpalumpacus - March 24, 2015 at 8:23 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Chad32 - March 15, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by lifesagift - March 15, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by lifesagift - March 15, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by abaris - March 15, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Chad32 - March 15, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Lek - March 15, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Dystopia - March 15, 2015 at 8:52 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 15, 2015 at 9:29 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Chad32 - March 15, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by JuliaL - March 24, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by abaris - March 24, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by downbeatplumb - March 24, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Nope - March 24, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Tonus - March 24, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by abaris - March 24, 2015 at 2:43 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 4:08 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Dystopia - March 24, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 4:19 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Cato - March 24, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Thumpalumpacus - March 24, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by mralstoner - March 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Smaug - March 15, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Minimalist - March 24, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by FatAndFaithless - March 24, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Chad32 - March 24, 2015 at 1:11 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Dystopia - March 24, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 24, 2015 at 4:19 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Dystopia - March 24, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 24, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 24, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by abaris - March 24, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 24, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 24, 2015 at 6:27 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by Anomalocaris - March 24, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Democracy fails... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 24, 2015 at 7:42 pm

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