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Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
(September 28, 2010 at 4:40 am)Rayaan Wrote:
(September 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Skipper Wrote: "And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels...Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked." (Sura 2:187-189).

Strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every finger-tip. This, because they have opposed God and his apostle: And whoso shall oppose God and his apostle. . .Verily, God will be severe in punishment." (Sura 8:12-13).

And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful." (Sura 9:5).

Those are some of the commonly misquoted verses. You have to know the historical context behind those verses in order to understand them accurately. Some people will just read those verses and think that the Quran is telling us to kill disbelievers anywhere we see them. But that is 100% wrong. The killing only applies when they attack you first and if you have to do it because of self-defense. Here's an answer from a scholar on these misquoted verses. Also, below are an explanation of the three verses that you quoted above (in respective order):

Misconception # 7, Misconception # 16, and Misconception # 9

(September 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Skipper Wrote: What a lovely god you have.

In a hadith (or sayings of the Prophet), he said: God Almighty said: "I am as My servant thinks I am. I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assembly better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed" (Hadith Qudsi # 14).

So, if you think that God is a mean and merciless god, then He will be like that to you. If you think that God is a loving and merciful god, then He will be like that to you. And if you think that God doesn't exist, then He will be like that to you, and cause you to suffer in Hell without any forgiveness (since you think that He doesn't exist).

(September 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Skipper Wrote: And there are many more verses like it!

I already explained the meaning of those verses.
Read the information in the links provided, and if you have anymore questions, then feel free to ask.

(September 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm)Skipper Wrote: Islam is evil. Religion is evil. There is no evidence for god. Any thoughts on that?

No thoughts except that I don't agree with you. Tongue

We'll we will have to agree to disagree then. I can't see how you think Islam is peaceful, it's not, no matter how much you say some verses are "taken out of context" countries who follow politicised Islam are some of the most unstable, unjust and unfair societies on earth. All I'd say is if this was the word of god surely he would have been a bit more careful with what he said as to not allow his words to so easily be manipulated by those who use your religion to kill innocent people.

Edit: How was Islam spread by the way? Was Muhammed successful when he was just preaching or did most of the spread of Islam in his life come when he was regularly using acts of violence against Kafirs? Wink
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Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 27, 2010 at 7:36 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by theVOID - September 27, 2010 at 7:49 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Minimalist - September 27, 2010 at 8:31 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Jaysyn - September 28, 2010 at 8:26 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Darwinian - September 27, 2010 at 10:51 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Skipper - September 27, 2010 at 11:49 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Rayaan - September 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Skipper - September 27, 2010 at 6:34 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 27, 2010 at 6:48 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Skipper - September 27, 2010 at 6:54 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by DeistPaladin - September 28, 2010 at 10:30 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 29, 2010 at 7:32 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by theVOID - September 28, 2010 at 4:54 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Rayaan - September 27, 2010 at 7:35 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Skipper - September 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Rayaan - September 28, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Skipper - September 28, 2010 at 6:10 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 28, 2010 at 7:10 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by gargantuan - September 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by DiRNiS - September 28, 2010 at 6:19 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by theVOID - September 28, 2010 at 6:44 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Beam Reach - September 28, 2010 at 7:21 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Skipper - September 28, 2010 at 7:26 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 28, 2010 at 7:56 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by DeistPaladin - September 28, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Minimalist - September 28, 2010 at 8:06 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by theVOID - September 28, 2010 at 10:42 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by theVOID - September 29, 2010 at 7:45 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 29, 2010 at 8:16 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by gargantuan - September 29, 2010 at 8:17 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Minimalist - September 29, 2010 at 10:03 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by DeistPaladin - September 29, 2010 at 10:17 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 29, 2010 at 6:42 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - September 30, 2010 at 7:58 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - October 2, 2010 at 10:44 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Minimalist - September 29, 2010 at 7:07 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by theVOID - September 30, 2010 at 8:07 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - October 2, 2010 at 11:10 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Dotard - October 3, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2010 at 4:12 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2010 at 4:32 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 3, 2010 at 7:11 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Rayaan - October 4, 2010 at 4:37 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 7:07 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 7:26 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Dotard - October 5, 2010 at 9:45 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 11:30 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Dotard - October 5, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 11:46 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Sami - October 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Jaysyn - October 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Dotard - October 6, 2010 at 7:47 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2010 at 8:08 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Dotard - October 6, 2010 at 7:37 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Jaysyn - October 6, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 6, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Dotard - October 7, 2010 at 8:28 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Jaysyn - October 7, 2010 at 9:42 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 7, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2010 at 1:10 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Dotard - October 7, 2010 at 8:25 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Rayaan - October 7, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Jaysyn - October 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 7, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Jaysyn - October 7, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 7, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by fr0d0 - October 8, 2010 at 5:21 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Jaysyn - October 8, 2010 at 8:04 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 11:47 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Thor - October 8, 2010 at 12:22 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 4:57 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Thor - October 8, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 5:12 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Thor - October 8, 2010 at 6:29 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 5:59 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 6:08 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 8, 2010 at 6:35 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Skipper - October 9, 2010 at 11:39 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Thor - October 9, 2010 at 4:16 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - October 9, 2010 at 11:19 am
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Watson - October 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by Thor - October 9, 2010 at 7:03 pm
RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world? - by A Theist - October 19, 2010 at 7:14 am

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