RE: The right to mis-define oneself
June 14, 2015 at 3:34 am
(This post was last modified: June 14, 2015 at 3:39 am by Longhorn.)
(June 13, 2015 at 8:21 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Either way, she's going to be causing a stir. I think she should use the women's changing room, but should avoid showing her penis. In other words, she should not impose on normal women the idea that they must accept her as a woman, penis and all.
What does that mean? They can accept her as a woman with her still having the penis. You make it sound like she would be walking around sticking it in their faces or something
And you would agree, I hope, that a few women accidentally seeing a penis as she changes is clearly lesser evil to her being possibly verbally and physically harassed in the men's changing room
Quote:This is a male organism who has instincts to mate with a female organism-- something which Jenner isn't, actually. The male is very likely to have a negative reaction, causing trama to himself and possibly endangering Jenner. Jenner doesn't get to be surprised, and say "What's wrong? I'm just a girl with a penis. Why are you overreacting?" Her fail to disclose is a lie of omission, and any normal person can see that it is going to cause a problem.
Dude, she is fully aware of the penis. Believe me, she knows it's there and she knows what the reaction would be. I think she wouldn't go into sex with someone without filling them in first. There might be transgendered people out there who wouldn't, but it's not because they're transgendered, but that they're dishonest.
Quote:I think this is selfish and immoral. If she is getting involved with a man, there are some obvious expectations-- specifically, that the woman he's having sex with is not a man made by surgery to look like a woman. And that she doesn't have boy parts. I don't think a transwoman's right to privacy trumps this poor guy's experience of having the trans-definition issue imposed on him unexpectedly. Just to show up in the bedroom without first addressing the issue would constitute, in my opinion, a category of rape or sexual abuse, because the psychological effects it could have are so predictable and powerful that a responsible person would take steps to avoid them. Saying the man involved shouldn't have that emotional reaction is like saying a raped girl shouldn't have that emotional reaction-- neither can help it, and both should be protected by law from being subjected to it.
that comparison is extremely unjust and disgusting.
Would you apply that to sexual history? If a former prostitute doesn't tell her partner she used to prostitute herself, you would count that as sexual abuse and rape?
I think if people are close enough to have sex, the subject probably already came up, but if not, that might means she doesn't want to talk about it