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Progressive Christianity
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RE: Progressive Christianity
(July 2, 2015 at 2:02 pm)cercatorius Wrote:
(July 2, 2015 at 1:40 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: So.....can you explain what it means be a progressive christian?

I think that there is a broad spectrum. I'm rather in the process of deconstructing right now, to be honest. At the moment, I'm neck deep in Rene Girard's theories on mimetic theory and reevaluating my beliefs in that context.  I very much enjoy his ideas on violence and sacrifice and their place in religion.  I believe Jesus to have been someone who was more fully in touch with his own humanity than I am. His teachings offer a good guideline for me to step out of rivalry with others and hopefully evolve in my treatment of others, and also myself.

This borders on the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but unless there's something in there about believing that Jehovah is the one true god (that actually exists) and that Jesus is his son (that actually existed), "progressive christianity" doesn't sound like it's actually christianity by definition. If this belief is not present within progressive christianity (meaning progressive christians believe those are figures of myth rather than extant beings), then progressive christianity probably isn't the best term; it should probably instead be called atheistic christianity. In that case, it would be like atheistic satanism, which holds the character of satan as an example and literary embodiment of human will and nature rather than an actual spiritual force that "really" exists.


It sounds like you're trying to use the Bible more as a philosophical framework, recognizing it as myth but feeling it serves as a good source of literary and philosophical value. If that's true, why limit yourself to the Bible, and why still call yourself christian? Why not cherry pick personal value from anything you read, religious text or otherwise? Much of literature has positive lessons to be gleaned. Since I've already mentioned atheistic satanism, are you familiar with the 9 Satanic Sins and the 11 Laws of the Earth? To me, those provide a much stronger, more defensible, and more contemporary moral direction than most anything you'd find in the christian bible.


In what ways do the teachings of Jesus reinforce the ideas of unity and harmony? Sure, he talked about love and forgiveness a lot, but he also said that he came not to bring peace but a sword, to turn families against each other, and that any who don't believe in him should be brought before him and slain. He was also mean to his mother a lot. If only some of what he said can be taken as a good example, then how is he different than any other preacher, thinker, or philosopher from history, and why single him out as the framework for a belief system? Why not take what's good from him and move on in your journey for knowledge?
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)

Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
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Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 1:33 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by vorlon13 - July 2, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Redbeard The Pink - July 2, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Redbeard The Pink - July 2, 2015 at 3:22 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Whateverist - July 3, 2015 at 4:01 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 12:28 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Redbeard The Pink - July 11, 2015 at 12:56 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by JesusHChrist - July 2, 2015 at 1:41 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 1:42 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Pyrrho - July 2, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 3, 2015 at 10:39 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Pyrrho - July 3, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Pyrrho - July 3, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Whateverist - July 3, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Godschild - July 2, 2015 at 11:21 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Foxaèr - July 2, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Godschild - July 2, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Foxaèr - July 2, 2015 at 11:42 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Godschild - July 3, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Redbeard The Pink - July 3, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Godschild - July 3, 2015 at 3:30 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Anomalocaris - July 2, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 1:56 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by vorlon13 - July 2, 2015 at 1:50 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by vorlon13 - July 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by LastPoet - July 2, 2015 at 2:05 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by rexbeccarox - July 2, 2015 at 2:15 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 2:24 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by LastPoet - July 2, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Iroscato - July 2, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Whateverist - July 3, 2015 at 3:53 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by rexbeccarox - July 3, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by LastPoet - July 2, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by rexbeccarox - July 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by LastPoet - July 2, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by LastPoet - July 2, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by cercatorius - July 2, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by JesusHChrist - July 2, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by polar bear - July 2, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by JesusHChrist - July 2, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Pyrrho - July 2, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Alex K - July 3, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by JesusHChrist - July 2, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Alex K - July 2, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Pyrrho - July 2, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 3, 2015 at 3:01 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 3, 2015 at 3:15 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Pyrrho - July 3, 2015 at 2:31 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Lek - July 3, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Longhorn - July 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Lek - July 3, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Godschild - July 3, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Progressive Christianity - by popsthebuilder - July 4, 2015 at 12:34 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by robvalue - July 4, 2015 at 5:19 am
RE: Progressive Christianity - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 12:35 am

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