RE: proof of end times?
November 29, 2008 at 2:01 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2008 at 2:03 pm by Psalm 23.)
(November 29, 2008 at 1:37 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Not really lol. If we're thinking "What if?" what will you do if a giant chariot made of crocodile meat comes to earth instead of Jesus? And he's evil and he destroys the universe. Earth heaven and hell. Everything. But the souls remain and everyone, whether good bad evil, hero or son of God's soul's are tortured for all eternity.The question was, "What if Jesus Christ does return to Earth?" Can you please answer the question, and try not to respond to my question with a question. That's not how a debate session works..
Quote:Seen as we're just thinking "what if?" and ignoring probability here! THAT would be a scary moment for EVERYONE.I would be on the first flight to Israel!
Quote:I'm not talking about absolute evidence. I am talking about current evidence in practice.The "lack of evidence" argument only works if every possible angle has been studied. Can I say for 100 percent fact that Thor and Allah are imaginary gods? Answer, No I cannot. I can't prove they were not gods.
If you're suggesting that God isn't probable because there's no evidence whatsoever of his evidence...would you be willing to say the same equally about ALL the other Gods? Zeus? Thor? Allah? Or anything supernatural like the FSM or the IPU?
Quote:Errrr no. There could just as easily be a God that hates belief in him and damns all believers to hell and doesn't to the disbelievers. Or even sends the disbelievers to heaven because he approves of doubt.That's right.. A god could exist that sends all believers to Hell and send all atheists to Heaven, but wait!! Why would atheists want to spend eternity in Heaven with a God who they believed was imaginary? I guess that would make you believe in him? Secondly, Pascal's wager is not a doubt. I believe in God. But if he doesn't exist, I win.
It's a response to the question, 'What if?" if God doesn't exist, I win.
Quote: As there is no evidence of a God at all. There is no evidence that IF there is a God he will approve believing in him anymore than doubting or disbelieving him/her/it.That's correct. There is no evidence whatsoever of God approving of those who believe and disbelieve. All we have are ancient manuscripts that give detailed accounts of ancient man speaking to God through Visions and Dreams. Why should I believe these men? I don't know them,, are they liars? Were they on drugs that made these visions appear? Who knows? I don't, and neither do you.
Quote:Sounds like Pascal's Wager to me. A truly spineless argument with no merit or value other than self-deluded placebo.Pascal's Wager is the ultimate answer to the question, 'What if?'
Quote:But there's no reason to believe Jesus will return. As there is no evidence he is the son of God or that there will be a second coming or that any God or anything supernatural exists at all.That's right! There is no evidence Jesus will return, and there is no evidence he was the Son of God. However, on that note, you cannot disprove these claims. In reality, all you can say is, "I don't believe it." And all I can say is, "I believe it happened." In the end, no one wins. Because neither party can display any proof.
Quote:So why don't you think a purple alien named "bloop" will come to earth and save us instead? Because the bible doesn't say so? There is no logical reason to believe that the bible has any evidence of God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit or anything Supernatural's existence at all.You don't have to believe the Bible was inspired by a supernatural deity. But it doesn't mean you're correct. It means you simply don't believe. Nothing more, nothing less.
Quote:Why don't you believe in Bloop instead?Because I don't want to believe in Bloop? My religion is extremely commanding about worshipping other gods, idols or statues.
Quote:Because of a book full of bullshit?Warning, your opinion on my Holy Bible is making you a less credible debater.