(July 28, 2014 at 8:29 pm)ShaMan Wrote: My wife is a Christian, I am not. She would like to believe that animals go to heaven (pets etc.).There is no specific scripture that says animals 'will be resurrected' or 'not resurrected' to point your wife to. Any conclusions are implicitly derived, not explicitly.
Where, in the bible, is this supported or refuted? I sincerely appreciate all responses from theists and atheists alike. Thanks
My thoughts are as follows. The scriptures do teach that those who share in the death of Christ on the cross will share in His resurrection (Romans 6:5). This begs the question: Do animals share in the death of Christ?
If animals do not sin, then they do not need an atonement, then they wouldn't participate with Christ's death on the cross, and therefore would not participate in His resurrection.
If animals do sin, then they would require an atonement, but since Christ took on human nature, not animal nature, there would be no worthy sacrifice on behalf of animals, therefore they would still be dead in their sins and would not participate in the resurrection.
The Bible is God's revelation for the salvation of human sinners.
(July 28, 2014 at 9:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Most theologians are going to say pets don't make it to heaven for precisely the reason Polaris gave. But if you'd like to give her hope there are two passages in Isaiah about a time of peace which might suggest animals will share the second coming.These passages most likely refer to the millennial kingdom. It is true the kingdom will be established at the time of Christ's return. It is also important to note that the final judgment/resurrection/destruction of the old creation/creation of the new heavens and earth all take place at the end of the millennial kingdom. So the passages given refer to a time the current creation will still be in existence.
(July 29, 2014 at 2:10 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: Revelation 19:14 says the armies of heaven come in riding horses. So I'd say yes.Revelation 19:14 does say the armies of heaven come in riding horses. Does that necessitate that the horses the armies come riding on are resurrected horses?
(July 29, 2014 at 8:04 am)alpha male Wrote: Romans 8How is the creation itself delivered from the bondage of corruption? Is it through resurrection, or through destruction and a new creation?
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Creation itself is saved, and animals are part of creation.
(July 29, 2014 at 12:13 pm)Chad32 Wrote: This kind of thing always bothered me. So you're saying there are no animals, or by extension plants, in heaven? as someone who has always lived in somewhat rural areas, surrounded by plants and animals, I find this totally undesirable. Not even talking about how bad it is to not see my pets, or my friend's pets. Just the idea that nothing will be there but Humans? No thanks.If we assume there will be no resurrected animals in heaven, that doesn't necessitate there will be no animals in heaven, it only necessitates there will be no resurrected animals in heaven. The Bible explicitly states there will be a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21). If animals are a part of the new earth or not the text does not say.
(July 29, 2014 at 12:58 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Are bacteria in heaven?Only spirochaetes. I think that's greek for spiritual.
(July 29, 2014 at 1:11 pm)Bibliofagus Wrote: Great. Now I'm wondering if my car will go to heaven. Thnx guys.As long as it's not a speed demon.
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On a serious note. Why do you think this issue means so much to your wife?
Depending upon the people, some pet owners love and consequently mourn for their pets as they would a human family member. Believing pets go to heaven would comfort that grief.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?