(November 28, 2008 at 11:04 pm)Daystar Wrote:Yes Jesus is supposed to be only God's son so he is not God.(November 28, 2008 at 3:11 pm)Daystar Wrote: Hello, and welcome, I don't know about the author of The God Delission not being able to prove Jesus wasn't God but I can.
(November 28, 2008 at 3:25 pm)CoxRox Wrote: Hi Daystar, if you get a minute I'd be interested to see your 'proofs' that Jesus isn't God, if you'd care to PM me them. Thanks....
(November 28, 2008 at 3:44 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: I watched an episode of O'Reilly Factor on FOX News, and Bill O'Reilly had a guest on his show, and he is the author of the Book called, "The God Delusion." Bill O'Reilly came right out and told Professor Richard Dawkins, "You cannot prove to me that Jesus Christ wasn't God." And Mr. Dawkins agreed with him. However, Mr Dawkins told O'Reilly, "You can't prove that Thor or Zeus were not gods either."
I would love to see how you have come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was not God.
Not only can I show that Jesus wasn't God, but I can show that Thor and Zeus were gods.
Jesus Wasn't God
John 8:54 - Jesus answered: "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.
John 17:3 - This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
John 20:17 - Jesus said to her: "Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
Matthew 26:39 - And going a little way forward, he fell upon his face, praying and saying: "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will."
John 8:17-18 - Also, in your own Law it is written, 'The witness of two men is true.' I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.
Zeus
Zeus was the supreme god of the Greeks, corresponding to Jupiter of the Romans. He was a god of the sky, thought to have the control of the winds, coluds, rain and thunder. His power over these forces were used in both destructive and beneficial purposes. Homer's The Iliad (VIII, 1-25) sort of presented Zeus as having greater strength than all the other gods combined but he was not regarded as supreme in the absolute sense. He became a victim of deception and yielded to the will of the Fates and Destiny.
Legends of his birth, childhood and acquisition of the throne were somewhat dwarfed in importance by the legends chiefly concerned with his many love affairs. Seducing goddesses and human women and fathering illegitimate children.
According to the Apocryphal book of 2 Maccabees 6:1-2 King Antiochus IV (Epiphanes) tried to stamp out the Jewish religion by profaning the temple at Jerusalem and rededicate it to Zeus of Olympus.
According to Acts 14:8-13 the people of Lystra identified Paul with Hermes and Barnabas with Zeus, the priest of Zeus went so far as to bring out bulls and garlands in order to offer sacrifices with the crowd.
At Acts 28:11 the apostle Paul was a prisoner on a ship that set sail from the island of Malta whose figurehead was "Sons of Zeus."
I can prove he was a god because 1909, in the area of Lystra inscriptions were found that referred to the "priests of Zeus" and "Hermes Most Great" and "Zeus the sun-god." - The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, edited by J. Orr, 1960, Vol. III, p. 1944.
Thor
Thor was one of the many mythical gods, including Odin, Frey, Freya and Hel. A slayer of giants and ruler of winds and rain. Norse mythology is the basis for some of the Anglo-Saxon and thus English names of the week. Tyr for (Tyr's day) Tuesday, Odin (aka Woden Woden's day) Wednesday, Thor (Thor's day) for Thursday and Frigga (Frigga's day) for Friday.
Another Thor from ancient German mythology seems to have been an originator of Santa Clause. 'Thor was an elderly man, jovial and friendly, of heavy build with a long white beard. He drove a chariot and was said to live in the Northland . . . His element was fire, his color red. The fireplace in every home was sacred to him, and he was said to come down into it through the chimney.'
The European Christmas custom of burning a huge log in the fireplace came from Scandinavians who burned enormous bonfires in honor of their god of thunder, Thor.
An English Benedictine monk in the eighth century known as Boniface, the so called Apostle to Germany was considered the "greatest missionary of the Dark Ages." The Encyclopedia of Religion wrote of his method to covert people to Catholicism: "At Geismar [near Göttingen, Germany] he dared to fell the sacred oak of Thor. . . . [When he] suffered no vengeance from the resident Germanic god, it was clear that the God whom he preached was the true God who alone is to be worshipped and adored."
But on the other hand I have also heard that Jesus is the same God, just incarnated in human form.
Do you think that is incorrect? I've heard of the whole thing that the trinity is part of one whole God. And that Jesus IS 'the father' God.
Incarnated in human form. Is that not what you think? Do you think Jesus was just a man? Or that he was the son of God yet not an incarnation? Not God himself?
