The Bible made me an Atheist.

[Edwardo Piet]

We have to figure this out. I don't believe the burden of proof falls on me. I don't believe the burden of proof falls on me. If you guys get out that dusty stick again, I will repeat. I don't agree that the burden of proof falls on me.

Well tough. Because in that case I just wonder by what logic you are making your God an exception. Becasuse the burden of proof lies on the belief in the existence of something, untill that belief actually has evidence to support it. Only then does the burden of proof shift, and does it need evidence against in order to be falsified. And the burden of proof otherwise only lies on a belief in 'non-existence' if it's a gnostic belief, a claim of absolutes and not merely a rejection due to lack of evidence.

Why I believe in god. I know of no evidence. You've all given me what you believe to be evidence, but's it's not evidence, it doesn't dismiss god.

Which is a reversal of the burden of proof. You may not care about it. But in that case, by what logic are you picking your God out? There are a million things that lack evidence, why don't you believe in all of them? Why not believe in everything? Why not the FSM ?

By what logic are you picking your God out if he carries no evidence? Why are you making an exception to the burden of proof, why are you reversing it?

And you too EvF... I CAN'T PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

So why do you believe if you have no evidence? You believe without a rational reason to believe therefore. Because, in its broadest sense - that's what evidence is: That what gives credence to a belief.

Stop chastising me for not making my god seem obvious to atheists.

I'm certainly not expecting you to make stuff obvious to me or other atheists. I'm just asking for evidence becasue, why do you believe if you don't have evidence? You can't rationally believe without evidence by definition, because to rationally believe means to believe with a reason, and if you believe with a reason then that reason gives credence to your belief, which is: Evidence

Why do you make your God an exception to evidence and the burden of proof?? Unless you pick other stuff out to be an exception too?

[...] and I always maintained that we are in a type of cyber relationship that excludes the possibility of either of us sharing evidence in this format. Sigh.[/i]

Well that's where you ignore that great importance of the burden of proof. Without it you might as well just believe in the FSM because he lacks evidence just as much as your God does.

no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence...

Yeah that's kind of the problem that I'm addressing....

I am sorry, you will have to find god all on your own.

I doubt that will happen.

This is why I don't want to discuss god. It gets no where, but so slowly...

So if you don't want to discuss God on an atheist forum, then what? You want to discuss absence of God, what atheism is like, without ever discussing the alternative, without ever discussing God?

I expect evidnece for a belief because by definition that's rational for reasons stated in this post.

EvF