RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 9:42 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2015 at 10:25 am by The Grand Nudger.)
@Dark
Well, your stats don't actually say what you think they do - but they do show that tougher gun laws work to reduce the number of times a murderer can or does choose a gun, when they decide to kill. What the numbers you posted show, is that in france, 21% of homocides are due to firearms (.21 of 1). In the US, for comparison, 67%. This is to be expected, though, isn't it? When a gun is available, a gun is the weapon of choice. I'm left wondering why and how nearly a quarter of their homocides still involve firearms though, if they can't have a gun at all. I'd call that gun law failure, personally. Apparently, they need to get even tougher than "no guns". As yet another point of comparison, 10/20/Life laws seem to have a roughly similar ability in dissuading the use of guns, even where they are legal. There are other laws, or collections of laws that, again in places where guns are legal, provide a comparable scenario. Most of the states that approach or meet that .21 against .67 marker are states with the strictest gun laws and fewest guns, though there are outliers, such as Wyoming - with a phenomenal amount of guns, extremely lax guns laws....and quixotically low ratios of firearm related homocides. While that ratio is a good one, and a great goal to aspire to for states that have higher rates - it's clear that the abolition of guns isn't required in order to achieve it, and it's also clear that the abolition of guns does not prevent murder, or significantly reduce murder rates.
Long story short, the law can only do so much. I doubt that any law, for example, would have prevented the attacks in paris.
@Dys
Not a damned thing, why?
Well, your stats don't actually say what you think they do - but they do show that tougher gun laws work to reduce the number of times a murderer can or does choose a gun, when they decide to kill. What the numbers you posted show, is that in france, 21% of homocides are due to firearms (.21 of 1). In the US, for comparison, 67%. This is to be expected, though, isn't it? When a gun is available, a gun is the weapon of choice. I'm left wondering why and how nearly a quarter of their homocides still involve firearms though, if they can't have a gun at all. I'd call that gun law failure, personally. Apparently, they need to get even tougher than "no guns". As yet another point of comparison, 10/20/Life laws seem to have a roughly similar ability in dissuading the use of guns, even where they are legal. There are other laws, or collections of laws that, again in places where guns are legal, provide a comparable scenario. Most of the states that approach or meet that .21 against .67 marker are states with the strictest gun laws and fewest guns, though there are outliers, such as Wyoming - with a phenomenal amount of guns, extremely lax guns laws....and quixotically low ratios of firearm related homocides. While that ratio is a good one, and a great goal to aspire to for states that have higher rates - it's clear that the abolition of guns isn't required in order to achieve it, and it's also clear that the abolition of guns does not prevent murder, or significantly reduce murder rates.
Long story short, the law can only do so much. I doubt that any law, for example, would have prevented the attacks in paris.
@Dys
Not a damned thing, why?
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